Originally posted by mushu_jj: Oooo, lets hope ratings are decent so another season is ordered.
48 Hours is a trooper. I think the demo would improve if CBS went to gameshows like The Price is Right, Power of 10, and Million Dollar Password on Saturdays. They could also consider trying Jingles here too.
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Originally posted by Julie: 48 Hours did pretty well for a Saturday night - I would have put it in the winner's category.
BTW, for all you hopefully Swingtown fans, Bravo has picked up the rights to re-air season 1:
I think Price is Right on Saturdays would be a good idea. It already attracts the older audience, and that is who is home on Saturdays. However, I would not do a million dollar edition, just a regular version. Power of 10 was pretty weak, so I wouldnt use that. Million Dolllar Password would be another good option, and Jingles might work as well.
Whatever happened with Jingles? Wasn't that supposed to come in the summer?
Price is Righ would work. It got 10 million on Fridays last season, so it could probably do at least 7 million on Saturdays, if not more. A Million Dollar Spectacular would be more exciting, but a regular primetime edition would do just as well.
Power of 10 would probably work. It could be hours of Drew Carey on Saturday nights, leading into 48 Hours. CBS should consider it.
Power of 10 was not that weak of a program. It just got buried against Idol last January. CBS should've tried it again this past spring or summer. I think it would do well away from real competition on Saturdays. Plus even if it skewed old, it could still probably draw a 2.0 which would help CBS in the season long average. Remember, they tied ABC last year. A stronger Saturday could've put them over the top.
Originally posted by Lost_Dom: One of the nets really should atleast attempt to bring Saturday's to life.
That's not going to happen. The only people viewing regular tv at home on Saturdays are those without dvr's or computers. And those households are few these days. Do we get access to the numbers for online streaming from the networks? NBC is very generous with their viewing. I believe that that is where the younger demographic viewers are going.
Originally posted by Lost_Dom: One of the nets really should atleast attempt to bring Saturday's to life.
That's not going to happen. The only people viewing regular tv at home on Saturdays are those without dvr's or computers. And those households are few these days. Do we get access to the numbers for online streaming from the networks? NBC is very generous with their viewing. I believe that that is where the younger demographic viewers are going.
You don't understand the type of programming needed for Saturday. Cheap older skewing gameshows and perhaps imported dramas like Flashpoint would all be worthwile Saturday options if you ask me. There are a ton of people still at home on Saturdays. They just know that the networks aren't trying so they go elsewhere.
Originally posted by Lost_Dom: One of the nets really should atleast attempt to bring Saturday's to life.
That's not going to happen. The only people viewing regular tv at home on Saturdays are those without dvr's or computers. And those households are few these days. Do we get access to the numbers for online streaming from the networks? NBC is very generous with their viewing. I believe that that is where the younger demographic viewers are going.
You don't understand the type of programming needed for Saturday. Cheap older skewing gameshows and perhaps imported dramas like Flashpoint would all be worthwile Saturday options if you ask me. There are a ton of people still at home on Saturdays. They just know that the networks aren't trying so they go elsewhere.
On the contrary, I do understand. But I don't think older skewing gameshows are going to get any more viewers than repeats of the Law&Order's or CSI's or AMW or the news shows. No younger skewing shows will work on Saturday, only sports, IMO.
Originally posted by Lost_Dom: One of the nets really should atleast attempt to bring Saturday's to life.
That's not going to happen. The only people viewing regular tv at home on Saturdays are those without dvr's or computers. And those households are few these days. Do we get access to the numbers for online streaming from the networks? NBC is very generous with their viewing. I believe that that is where the younger demographic viewers are going.
You don't understand the type of programming needed for Saturday. Cheap older skewing gameshows and perhaps imported dramas like Flashpoint would all be worthwile Saturday options if you ask me. There are a ton of people still at home on Saturdays. They just know that the networks aren't trying so they go elsewhere.
On the contrary, I do understand. But I don't think older skewing gameshows are going to get any more viewers than repeats of the Law&Order's or CSI's or AMW or the news shows. No younger skewing shows will work on Saturday, only sports, IMO.
However, if people see the older skewing gameshows, they will at least think the networks are trying.
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Originally posted by Lost_Dom: One of the nets really should atleast attempt to bring Saturday's to life.
That's not going to happen. The only people viewing regular tv at home on Saturdays are those without dvr's or computers. And those households are few these days. Do we get access to the numbers for online streaming from the networks? NBC is very generous with their viewing. I believe that that is where the younger demographic viewers are going.
You don't understand the type of programming needed for Saturday. Cheap older skewing gameshows and perhaps imported dramas like Flashpoint would all be worthwile Saturday options if you ask me. There are a ton of people still at home on Saturdays. They just know that the networks aren't trying so they go elsewhere.
On the contrary, I do understand. But I don't think older skewing gameshows are going to get any more viewers than repeats of the Law&Order's or CSI's or AMW or the news shows. No younger skewing shows will work on Saturday, only sports, IMO.
My point is that total viewers doesn't matter and that the gameshows will at least cause some slight increases in the demo and allow the networks to at least regain good PR with viewers on this night when they are home. If the gameshows pull a 2.0, that is still older skewing but a major improvement over the 0.9's they're getting from various drama repeats.
Originally posted by Lost_Dom: One of the nets really should atleast attempt to bring Saturday's to life.
That's not going to happen. The only people viewing regular tv at home on Saturdays are those without dvr's or computers. And those households are few these days. Do we get access to the numbers for online streaming from the networks? NBC is very generous with their viewing. I believe that that is where the younger demographic viewers are going.
You don't understand the type of programming needed for Saturday. Cheap older skewing gameshows and perhaps imported dramas like Flashpoint would all be worthwile Saturday options if you ask me. There are a ton of people still at home on Saturdays. They just know that the networks aren't trying so they go elsewhere.
On the contrary, I do understand. But I don't think older skewing gameshows are going to get any more viewers than repeats of the Law&Order's or CSI's or AMW or the news shows. No younger skewing shows will work on Saturday, only sports, IMO.
My point is that total viewers doesn't matter and that the gameshows will at least cause some slight increases in the demo and allow the networks to at least regain good PR with viewers on this night when they are home. If the gameshows pull a 2.0, that is still older skewing but a major improvement over the 0.9's they're getting from various drama repeats.
Well, my point is that the older viewers at home on Sat nite might watch game shows or repeat scripted shows or whatever is on, but younger viewers have too many options and will not likely care about regular tv, much less network pr.
I have to agree with mushu_jj on the whole Saturday programming debate. Tvbythenumbers had an excellent chart showing how many viewers are watching TV during each day. The number of viewers watching TV on Saturdays were just slightly off Friday and less than 25% off the other nights of the week. I'll see if I can pull up the chart again.
The chart shows that there are people who will watch TV, they just don't want to sit around and watch repeats that they either watched, avoided for some reason, or that they caught online. With originals, this audience would get tapped into. It was brought up that only sports would work, well something like America's Toughest Jobs is sports. There is very little difference in monster truck rallies on that show and NASCAR on Saturday. If it is just older people watching, the game shows and shows like Flashpoint would appeal to them.
I agree that networks can't program expensive shows on Saturday. I don't think anyone is making the case. But to just run repeats that networks know won't bring in ratings when information is available proving that people will watch is just taking the easy way out. FOX offers original programming on Saturday, CBS offers an hour of originals, NBC is offering Dateline this year and is at least thinking of offering more. Networks are slowly inching there and it is just a matter of time before someone tries it.
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Originally posted by Justin: Thoughts on Desperate Housewives?
I say still not what it was first season, what a shame
you're crazy. show was awesome. loved last season but this was a fresh start with characters you love. all the stories were interesting and it was actually fun seeing susan in her storyline. the new twins were great. the daniel flashback with the baby wa surprising. loved gaby's story. carlos was so romantic when he declares how he sees her and will see her for the rest of his life.
and even if the first season was the best... it's ridiculous to call it a shame. by that logic the only way a series can not be a shame if each season gets better every year. and that's absurd especially when a show starts off great... by your logic if a show starts off great and doesn't improve on that greatness after 5 seasons... every year... then it's a shame.
The best reason for the non-News Corporation networks to find a way to solve Saturdays is that the Saturday numbers really bring down their weekly averages. FOX seems to be content with 'Cops'/'AMW', while MyNetworkTV is getting decent year-over-year growth with its 'My Saturday Night Movie' franchise.
ABC has a seasonal solution in college football, and just needs to find a few other sports to build a 'Wide World of Sports' franchise through the winter and summer. It is CBS and NBC have to come up with something other than encores on top of newsmagazines, which seem to be withering (the Heroes preem encore was down 30% year-over-year in A18-49s).
That being said, last nights numbers did show 10% growth in viewers over last years opening Saturday, and the A18-49 demo was down by just 4% (6.1 to 5.8), though that decline might be erased when the MyNet numbers come in (they got a barely visible 0.2 A18-49 last year).
After six nights of Week 1 of the 2008-9 season, ABC has built up a comfortable lead in A18-49 and viewers with its "National Stay-at-Home Week' fall launch strategy:
Week 1 of 2008-9, First Six Nights (Mon-Sat) #. Net A18-49 Avg (Avg. Viewers, millions-#) ============================================ 1. ABC 3.60 (11.953-#1) 2. CBS 3.08 (11.007-#2) 3. NBC 2.75 (7.315-#3) 4. FOX 2.38 (6.177-#4) 5. CW 1.44 (3.378-#5) 6. MNT 0.47 (1.315-#6) -> first 4 nights only
