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Originally posted by TV-aholic:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
But ABC isn't in a position to *need* comedies in their lineup. According to Jim (and maybe Scrubs) are going to get time on ABC next year because of the syndication value, not because of the ratings.

This is the one Dark side to when the FCC deregulated the networks to allow them to produce and own the tv shows. The consumer ends up with a lesser product.

Agree with both TV and Obveeus and I think its a shame that ABC is keeping both on the air just for syndication value and not because the shows are doing well. What makes them think ppl will watch these low rated Jim and Scrubs eps in syndication when they didn't care enough in first run?

According to Marc's syndie season-to-date Nielsen numbers, neither Scrubs nor ATJ are exactly setting the syndie world on fire. Both are lower middle of the pack in terms of performance, so what exactly would be the benefit of producing more episodes is unclear to me.

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from Marc Berman's Programming Insider:

-Off-Network Sitcom Season to-Date Update:
Based on ratings through March 11, 2007, what follows are the season to-date results for all occupants in the off-network sitcom category. Change versus the comparable year-ago period appears in parentheses for the established strips:

Households:
13. Scrubs (Disney-ABC): 1.5 (-12)
14. According to Jim (Disney-ABC): 1.4 (-30)

Adults 18-49:
13. Scrubs (Disney-ABC): 1.0 (-17)
14. According to Jim (Disney-ABC): 0.8 (-27)

Adults 25-54:
13. Scrubs (Disney-ABC): 0.9 (-18)
14. According to Jim (Disney-ABC): 0.9 (-25)

Source: Nielsen Media Research data

I would also like to add that I think ABC must be careful with its decision on Miss/Guided. Not since TGIF ended have they had a comedy like Miss/Guided that has the potential to connect with young demographics. It could very well become their That 70s Show...a show that they could build a night of young adult comedies around.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
But ABC isn't in a position to *need* comedies in their lineup. According to Jim (and maybe Scrubs) are going to get time on ABC next year because of the syndication value, not because of the ratings.

This is the one Dark side to when the FCC deregulated the networks to allow them to produce and own the tv shows. The consumer ends up with a lesser product.

Agree with both TV and Obveeus and I think its a shame that ABC is keeping both on the air just for syndication value and not because the shows are doing well. What makes them think ppl will watch these low rated Jim and Scrubs eps in syndication when they didn't care enough in first run?

I agree with all about the fact that ABC is keeping AtJ and Scrubs on the air strictly for syndication value.

However, I disagree with Obveeus original statement that "ABC isn't in a position to *need* comedies in their lineup." As I and spotupj have explained, for all these reasons, including how mediocre Atj and Scrubs are, ABC does need comedies such as SW and Miss/Guided in their lineup. I think if scheduled right, SW and Miss/Guided together can be the start of a fresh comedy hour, then become a comedy block for ABC. And yes, ABC needs comedies -- every network does.

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Originally posted by dumont:
According to Marc's syndie season-to-date Nielsen numbers, neither Scrubs nor ATJ are exactly setting the syndie world on fire. Both are lower middle of the pack in terms of performance, so what exactly would be the benefit of producing more episodes is unclear to me.

When the local stations buy up syndication rights, do they sometimes agree to pay that same price for all future epiodes that are made?

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Originally posted by Chimera:
ABC does need comedies such as SW and Miss/Guided in their lineup.

Correction: they need 'comedy', as in just ONE, in their lineup to follow DwtS when it is 90min. in length.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by Chimera:
ABC does need comedies such as SW and Miss/Guided in their lineup.

Correction: they need 'comedy', as in just ONE, in their lineup to follow DwtS when it is 90min. in length.

You really think that a full-fledged network would choose to only feature 1 comedy in their lineup instead of trying to expand? That's completely irrational that they just need 1 comedy just because DWTS is 90 minutes -- if that was the only reason, they would just make DWTS 2 hrs all season long, or stick to 90 minutes versions of DWTS and the Bachelor back to back. Having comedies is not simply because they have one half-hour block that needs to be filled. It's because there are many viewers out there with different tastes, and even though comedy has been on the decline since the end of shows like Friends, Seinfeld, and Home Improvement doesn't mean that viewers only want crime dramas or romantic dramedies or reality competitions. They know that trends can change, and change quickly, and want to be ready with several comedies going forward. If that were not the case, they would not have greenlighted any comedy pilots, and they have in fact greenlighted several. Seriously Obveeus, is this another one of your "funnies", or do you really believe what you said?

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by dumont:
According to Marc's syndie season-to-date Nielsen numbers, neither Scrubs nor ATJ are exactly setting the syndie world on fire. Both are lower middle of the pack in terms of performance, so what exactly would be the benefit of producing more episodes is unclear to me.

When the local stations buy up syndication rights, do they sometimes agree to pay that same price for all future epiodes that are made?

From what I've read, guarantees would kick in if certain number of episodes are produced for syndication and I believe this would be the case for both shows. The syndication revenue would far exceed the production costs regardless of sydnication ratings.

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Originally posted by Zedman2:
From what I've read, guarantees would kick in if certain number of episodes are produced for syndication and I believe this would be the case for both shows. The syndication revenue would far exceed the production costs regardless of sydnication ratings.

Thanks for the confirmation. I suspected this was what was propelling the studio's desire to keep AtJ and Scrubs going.

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Originally posted by Chimera:
You really think that a full-fledged network would choose to only feature 1 comedy in their lineup instead of trying to expand?

They already have Samantha Who" as post DwtS filler and AtJ as forced use. They don't need any other sitcoms beyond that. ABC has better luck these days with 'comedy' of the one hour variety: Desperate Housewives, Pushing Daisies, Boston Legal type offerings.

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They know that trends can change, and change quickly, and want to be ready with several comedies going forward.

Then maybe they should attempt to make something funny. Miss Guided is not it. Samantha Who and According to Jim are already taking up schedule spots without being particularly funny.

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Seriously Obveeus, is this another one of your "funnies", or do you really believe what you said?

While I expect some blind drooling over all things 'ABC' from you, the fact that you can't tell the difference between 'Easter is not a holiday' with a Federal Holiday calender link (humor) and 'ABC doesn't have room for more unfunny comedies than they already have' (serious) suggests that you don't recognize just how bad the ABC comedy offerings are.

Perhaps you can find a spelling mistake and claim that as the reason for your inability to understand, though? Who knew you could be thrown into total confussion simply by someone leaving off the letter 's' from a word.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
While I expect some blind drooling over all things 'ABC' from you, the fact that you can't tell the difference between 'Easter is not a holiday' with a Federal Holiday calender link (humor) and 'ABC doesn't have room for more unfunny comedies than they already have' (serious) suggests that you don't recognize just how bad the ABC comedy offerings are.

Perhaps you can find a spelling mistake and claim that as the reason for your inability to understand, though? Who knew you could be thrown into total confussion simply by someone leaving off the letter 's' from a word.

What you say was your 'joke' about Easter not being a holiday had quite a few people responding to explain to you the difference -- obviously it wasn't really that funny if you had to tell everybody it was a joke.

But then was it really a joke? If it was only a joke, why did you follow up by defending your "Easter is not a holiday" statement with:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
If people don't get the day off, it isn't a holiday.
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I didn't say anything before, but now you're calling me on it.

As far as blind drooling over ABC's shows, did you hear me say the same good things about NFTU, or AtJ, or OR, or MIT, or BS, or The Bachelor, etc, etc? No -- I simply think this show is funny -- the type of funny show that can help turn around half-hour comedy for the network. And I'm not the only one saying that -- check out the first couple of pages of this thread, for instance, or what critics have been saying.

Samanta Who? and Miss/Guided should be a great combo.

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Originally posted by Chimera:
No -- I simply think this show is funny -- the type of funny show that can help turn around half-hour comedy for the network. And I'm not the only one saying that -- check out the first couple of pages of this thread, for instance, or what critics have been saying.

The type of comedy that could help ABC are multi-camera family sitcoms that are funny. You know, like GLo, which was cancelled for Cavemen and Carpoolers or even stuff like Freddie and Complete Savages, which imo are miles funnier than Samantha Who and Miss/Guided. I honestly can't see either one doing 5 seasons, let alone 3 for SW, which will be the only decently rated ABC sitcom to survive this season. Its just been a total disaster for them the past 3 seasons.

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Originally posted by Chimera:
What you say was your 'joke' about Easter not being a holiday had quite a few people responding to explain to you the difference -- obviously it wasn't really that funny if you had to tell everybody it was a joke.

All that shows is that quite a few people here are REALLY slow.

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But then was it really a joke? If it was only a joke, why did you follow up by defending your "Easter is not a holiday" statement with:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:
If people don't get the day off, it isn't a holiday..

Nice way to prove that people can be really slow. Did you even read the next sentence after the one you just quoted? The sentence where I commented about how some people need smileys spelled out for them? Even when it was spelled out for you, you were still confused?

Obveeus, sorry I got so harsh in defending Miss//Guided yesterday. You are obveeusly entitled to your opinion. There -- I just had to say that...

As far as multi-cam sitcoms, I agree mushu, I think ABC needs a couple of those as well. Hopefully Cedric's sitcom will prove strong...

may be back...

"Biz watchers today are also intently focused on ABC and what it may or may not be announcing Tuesday ayem as it moves into the leadoff slot normally occupied by NBC (which already lifted the curtain on its sked last month).

Chatter late Friday was that the fate of a renewal of David E. Kelley's "Boston Legal" was still wrapped up in the prospect of Kelley and 20th Century Fox TV reaching a deal with ABC Studios to move the Kelley cop pilot "Life on Mars" from 20th to ABC Studios under the direction of new showrunners Josh Appelbaum and Andre Nemec.

Drama "Women's Murder Club" appears to be officially K.O'd after one season, but as of late Friday there still seemed to be some hope for renewals for ABC midseasoners "Eli Stone" and "Miss Guided.""

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