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quote: Originally posted by mushu_jj: quote: Originally posted by Chimera: quote: Originally posted by Chimera: quote: Miss Guided (ABC)
8:00 p.m. – Viewers: 6.34 million (#4), A18-49: 2.1/ 7 (#2t) – time period premiere
8:30 p.m. – Viewers: 6.34 million (#4), A18-49: 2.3/ 7 (#3)
I disagree anout Miss/Guided being labeled a loser. It kept 100% of its viewers and actually built on its demo numbers in the 2nd half-hour. Almost unheard of in a new show in its 2nd and 3rd episodes. Considering the 1st episode was such a weird scheduling decision, I consider these numbers very good. Viewers liked what they saw and stuck around for more -- I for one am hooked and love this show. It is a perfect companion to SW and is likely to hold or build on SW's numbers if paired together. I would not and did not expect it to perform any better than it did on its own on Thursday. Compare these results to the last network comedy to premiere, The Return of Jezebel James which had arguably more promotion: 3.11 million viewers and a 1.1/ 4 in the demo... Yes, Miss/Guided has found an audience, and is loved by both critics and viewers alike.
Add Unhitched to the list of other recent comedies to have faired significantly worse than Miss/Guided -- and unhitched had the populat Family Guy as its regular lead-in, and could only muster 3.05 million viewers and a 1.5 in the demo in its latest outing. Miss/Guided is showing that it can be a self-starter with the results from Thursday and the growth it showed in its 2nd half hour. Don't count it out yet.
Yes and the popular Family Guy pulled in less than 5 million for the recent ep. Forget that the 9:30pm slot is basically a death slot for new shows after Family Guy and the show debuted at a later 10pm time.
That's still a loss of 2 million viewers from an established show, wheras Miss/Guided did much better on its own on Thursday. |
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quote: Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Yes and the popular Family Guy pulled in less than 5 million for the recent ep. Forget that the 9:30pm slot is basically a death slot for new shows after Family Guy and the show debuted at a later 10pm time.
Different situations, and Unhitched is definitely done, even though I think it's decent. It kind of got a tough break with the overrun taking it to 10pm on premiere night, but it has shown no life since then. If Miss Guided can stay squarely above 2.0 the next two weeks, it might get a mercy reprieve the way Notes did when it was mixed in with Jim. One problem it's facing is that ABC already has a slam-dunk new comedy renewal in SW, so they won't absolutely need another; a big factor in that much-maligned Notes renewal, IMO, was that they didn't want to cancel all the new comedies. But it'd be a shame for Miss Guided to come and go without ever getting a chance to air with Samantha Who. Obviously 6 mil and 2.2 is still really bad, but compared to other ABC comedies... |
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quote: Originally posted by spotupj: quote: Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Yes and the popular Family Guy pulled in less than 5 million for the recent ep. Forget that the 9:30pm slot is basically a death slot for new shows after Family Guy and the show debuted at a later 10pm time.
Different situations, and Unhitched is definitely done, even though I think it's decent. It kind of got a tough break with the overrun taking it to 10pm on premiere night, but it has shown no life since then. If Miss Guided can stay squarely above 2.0 the next two weeks, it might get a mercy reprieve the way Notes did when it was mixed in with Jim. One problem it's facing is that ABC already has a slam-dunk new comedy renewal in SW, so they won't absolutely need another; a big factor in that much-maligned Notes renewal, IMO, was that they didn't want to cancel all the new comedies. But it'd be a shame for Miss Guided to come and go without ever getting a chance to air with Samantha Who. Obviously 6 mil and 2.2 is still really bad, but compared to other ABC comedies...
If ABC cared about the show at all, it would be airing in a timeslot after Dancing somehow on a weekly basis. They clearly don't care however with this move to Thursday where it will only continue to sink.
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quote: Originally posted by spotupj:
If Miss Guided can stay squarely above 2.0 the next two weeks, it might get a mercy reprieve the way Notes did when it was mixed in with Jim. One problem it's facing is that ABC already has a slam-dunk new comedy renewal in SW, so they won't absolutely need another;
I think this coming Thursday it should definitely do that (at least 6 million and a 2.0 in the demo), since the competition will be the same as this week. Miss/Guided kept 100% of its viewers and built 0.2 in the demo to a 2.3 in its 2nd half hour, which is a positive growth trend in a Spring season that has virtually every show going the other way. As far as SW renewal being an obstacle, I think quite the opposite. ABC will obviously want to pair Samantha Who with another promising comedy to start to rebuild that part of their lineup, and Miss/Guided is the perfect fit for that. I can easily envision a Tuesday lineup of Dancing Results @ 8pm, SW @ 9pm, and M/G at 9:30 -- Basically provides SW the DWTS lead-in while also allowing it to nurture a compatible multi-cam comedy. quote: Originally posted by spotupj:
Obviously 6 mil and 2.2 is still really bad, but compared to other ABC comedies...
Isn't that better than the NBC Thursday night comedies?... And I doubt they will be cancelled. |
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quote: where it will only continue to sink.
How can it continue to sink when it hasn't started sinking? As I pointed out several times, the 2nd half hour actually grew from the 1st... Don't worry about it mushu, I think you will be pleasantly surprised to see it hold its numbers this week. |
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quote: Originally posted by Chimera: quote: Originally posted by spotupj:
Obviously 6 mil and 2.2 is still really bad, but compared to other ABC comedies...
Isn't that better than the NBC Thursday night comedies?... And I doubt they will be cancelled.
No, that's worse than all the NBC comedies. Scrubs is the lowest rated in viewers (averaging around 6 mill), but it gets over 3.0 in the demo, and NBC wants to cancel it. |
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quote: Originally posted by mushu_jj:
If ABC cared about the show at all, it would be airing in a timeslot after Dancing somehow on a weekly basis. They clearly don't care however with this move to Thursday where it will only continue to sink.
I agree with most of this but you can also say that if ABC had cared about Notes at all, they wouldn't have delayed it, then aired it all over Wednesday mixed in with the incompatible Jim and GLo. And that got the renewal despite pretty poor numbers. quote: Originally posted by Chimera:
can easily envision a Tuesday lineup of Dancing Results @ 8pm, SW @ 9pm, and M/G at 9:30
I'd love that, but I would guess they'll try to maximize SW by keeping it after a 90-min Dancing. We will see... I hope you're right. quote: Isn't that better than the NBC Thursday night comedies?... And I doubt they will be cancelled.
It's a bit ahead of the latest 30 Rock eps in viewers but at least a half point behind in the all-important demo. Then again, you can easily ask: if this were after My Name is Earl with its 8 million and 3.5 demo, would it be doing better than 30 Rock? Quite possibly. |
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quote: Originally posted by Holly: quote: Originally posted by Chimera: quote: Originally posted by spotupj:
Obviously 6 mil and 2.2 is still really bad, but compared to other ABC comedies...
Isn't that better than the NBC Thursday night comedies?... And I doubt they will be cancelled.
No, that's worse than all the NBC comedies. Scrubs is the lowest rated in viewers (averaging around 6 mill), but it gets over 3.0 in the demo, and NBC wants to cancel it.
Well, considering they're established shows, My Name is Earl and 30 Rock were not doing much better -- their reruns were definitely lower, and their originals weren't much higher in the Fall when ratings are higher overall. In two weeks we'll see how they do head to head... quote: My Name Is Earl since late November:
Week Viewers Demo
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11/29/07 6.62 M 2.6
12/06/07 7.38 M 3.1
12/27/07(R) 4.93 M 1.8
01/10/08 7.74 M 3.4
01/17/08(R) 5.62 M 2.4
01/31/08(R) 5.27 M 2.2
02/21/08(R) 4.48 M 1.7
03/13/08(R-8pm) 4.14 M 1.5
03/13/08(R-8:30) 4.52 M 1.8
quote: 30 Rock -- all season:
Week Viewers Demo
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10/04/07 7.33 M 3.4
10/11/07 6.60 M 3.0
10/18/07 6.22 M 2.6
10/25/07 6.50 M 3.1
11/08/07 6.60 M 3.1
11/15/07 6.45 M 3.2
11/29/07 5.82 M 2.5
12/06/07 5.84 M 2.7
12/13/07(S-9pm) 5.58 M 2.8
12/27/07(R) 4.10 M 1.7
01/10/08 5.98 M 2.8
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quote: Originally posted by Chimera: quote: Originally posted by Holly: quote: Originally posted by Chimera: quote: Originally posted by spotupj:
Obviously 6 mil and 2.2 is still really bad, but compared to other ABC comedies...
Isn't that better than the NBC Thursday night comedies?... And I doubt they will be cancelled.
No, that's worse than all the NBC comedies. Scrubs is the lowest rated in viewers (averaging around 6 mill), but it gets over 3.0 in the demo, and NBC wants to cancel it.
Well, considering they're established shows, My Name is Earl and 30 Rock were not doing much better -- their reruns were definitely lower, and their originals weren't much higher in the Fall when ratings are higher overall. In two weeks we'll see how they do head to head...
Your statement was that 6 mill and 2.2 was better than the NBC comedies, not that "considering that the NBC comedies are established and Miss/Guided isn't, these ratings are comparable" or "it's better than NBC reruns." If Miss/Guided holds the 6 mill/2.2 (with a rerun as a lead-out), ABC may consider keeping it. After all, that makes it their second rated comedy and it isn't dependent on its lead in. |
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quote: Your statement was that 6 mill and 2.2 was better than the NBC comedies, not that "considering that the NBC comedies are established and Miss/Guided isn't, these ratings are comparable" or "it's better than NBC reruns."
In its last 4 original airings, 30 Rock had under 6 million viewers, and its best demo was a 2.8. So Miss/Guided was better than 30 Rock in viewers, and within half a point in the demo. |
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I agree with Holly and I will add that even if a show on ABC and a show on NBC got identical ratings, the ABC show would be more likely to earn 'loser'/cancellation status because the ratings standards on NBC are lower.
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quote: Originally posted by Obveeus:
I agree with Holly and I will add that even if a show on ABC and a show on NBC got identical ratings, the ABC show would be more likely to earn 'loser'/cancellation status because the ratings standards on NBC are lower.
Quite the opposite for comedies, and that was precisely my point. NBC has several moderately successful comedies, whereas ABC had none until Samantha Who this season. The According to Jim renewal and move to get Scrubs are proof of how low they are on the comedy side. |
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But ABC isn't in a position to *need* comedies in their lineup. According to Jim (and maybe Scrubs) are going to get time on ABC next year because of the syndication value, not because of the ratings.
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quote: Originally posted by Chimera:
Quite the opposite for comedies, and that was precisely my point. NBC has several moderately successful comedies, whereas ABC had none until Samantha Who this season. The According to Jim renewal and move to get Scrubs are proof of how low they are on the comedy side.
Agreed. In addition to last season's NFTU renewal, you can also look at Fox's renewal of 'Til Death last year and their probable renewals of TD and Back to You this year. Despite overall net strength, the standards are always going to be lower in weak areas because they want to keep some kind of foothold... in Fox's case, live-action comedy. In ABC's case, half-hour comedy period. Maybe you could even say "buzz" genre stuff for CBS (Jericho's second season, Moonlight) and drama in general for NBC (FNL, Life). And the Big 4 are all in such drastically different places w/r/t half-hour comedies that it's almost irrelevant to compare across networks as far as what's good enough for renewal. |
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quote: Originally posted by Obveeus:
But ABC isn't in a position to *need* comedies in their lineup. According to Jim (and maybe Scrubs) are going to get time on ABC next year because of the syndication value, not because of the ratings.
This is the one Dark side to when the FCC deregulated the networks to allow them to produce and own the tv shows. The consumer ends up with a lesser product.
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