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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD:
Mushu_jj, you can use paragraphs. Razzer Wink

I don't think ABC vs. CBS is the issue. Both networks have the problems.

ABC targets whimsical shows that can't pull a wide audience. The reason why ABC cancels almost everything first year out is because their ideas don't connect with a big enough audience. Critics may like them, but viewers don't.

CBS instead goes for shows that they know their viewers will like. It might not be the most innovative but it works. Whenever CBS tries something different, it fails. Even if they try to change their tone and go darker, like 11th Hour, it fails. They have a narrow scope of what the bulk of their audience will like.

How does ABC solve their problem? Pick more procedural, more stable based shows that people will actually watch. Life On Mars is a start. Castle should do well for them.

How does CBS solve their problem? Spinoffs. Use the familiar name of CSI, Criminal Minds, NCIS which will get the base watching. Now twist it so that new audiences will watch it. Make is slicker, more younger skewing.
Actually, I would like one of the 4 Networks to get aggresive and schedule a lot of sitcoms. Thats the one genre that has not been used to challenge CBS, on a wide level.

Yes, some, if not most will fail or only do modest ratings, initially, but so have the DSM, LJ, PDs of the world.


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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD:
Mushu_jj, you can use paragraphs. Razzer Wink

I don't think ABC vs. CBS is the issue. Both networks have the problems.

ABC targets whimsical shows that can't pull a wide audience. The reason why ABC cancels almost everything first year out is because their ideas don't connect with a big enough audience. Critics may like them, but viewers don't.

CBS instead goes for shows that they know their viewers will like. It might not be the most innovative but it works. Whenever CBS tries something different, it fails. Even if they try to change their tone and go darker, like 11th Hour, it fails. They have a narrow scope of what the bulk of their audience will like.

How does ABC solve their problem? Pick more procedural, more stable based shows that people will actually watch. Life On Mars is a start. Castle should do well for them.

How does CBS solve their problem? Spinoffs. Use the familiar name of CSI, Criminal Minds, NCIS which will get the base watching. Now twist it so that new audiences will watch it. Make is slicker, more younger skewing.
Actually, I would like one of the 4 Networks to get aggresive and schedule a lot of sitcoms. Thats the one genre that has not been used to challenge CBS, on a wide level.

Yes, some, if not most will fail or only do modest ratings, initially, but so have the DSM, LJ, PDs of the world.


Agreed and you can add CBS shows to that list too: The Ex List, Moonlight, Jericho, Cane, etc. I would love to see more comedies. I think that if the ratings for the Wed. block don't continue their increase, then a move to Sunday following this season of TAR would be a good option. Perhaps Cold Case could go to Fridays and the new Harper's Island could get a Sunday 9pm test.



 
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For the Week Ending October 12, 2008

Averages
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10.96 Million Viewers
3.2/8.9 Demo Rating/Share
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Net	Day	Time	Length	Program                         Viewers*	Demo
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CBS	Thu	9:00	60 min	CSI                               23.490	7.1
CBS	Tue	8:00	60 min	NCIS                              16.290	3.7
CBS	Wed	9:00	60 min	Criminal Minds                    16.190	4.3
CBS	Wed	10:00	60 min	CSI: NY                           15.870	4.3
CBS	Mon	9:00	30 min	Two and a Half Men                14.070	5.1

CBS	Mon	10:00	60 min	CSI: Miami                        13.880	4.0
CBS	Thu	8:00	60 min	Survivor: Gibon                   13.280	4.4
CBS	Thu	10:00	60 min	Eleventh Hour                     11.370	3.2
CBS	Sun	9:00	60 min	Cold Case                         10.990	2.7
CBS	Sun	7:00	60 min	60 Minutes                        10.750	1.9

CBS	Tue	10:40	40 min	ABC News Post Debate               9.920	2.9
CBS	Fri	8:00	60 min	Ghost Whisperer                    9.690	2.7
CBS	Mon	8:00	30 min	Big Bang Theory                    9.390	3.7
CBS	Sun	10:00	60 min	The Unit                           9.100	2.6
CBS	Sun	8:00	60 min	Amazing Race                       9.010	2.9

CBS	Mon	8:30	30 min	How I Met Your Mother              8.980	4.0
CBS	Mon	9:30	30 min	Worst Week                         8.850	3.0
CBS	Fri	10:00	60 min	Numbers                            8.010	2.2
CBS	Tue	10:40	40 min	CBS News Post Debate               7.950	2.3
CBS	Wed	8:00	30 min	Old Christine                      7.530	2.2

CBS	Wed	8:30	30 min	Gary Unmarried                     7.360	2.4
CBS	Sat	8:00	180 min	NCAA Football (LSU v Fla)          5.960	2.0
CBS	Fri	9:00	60 min	The Ex-List                        5.600	1.9


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All CBS needs to fix is Mondays at 9:30 and Fridays at 9:00.



 
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I agree. CBS is pretty much set this season besides those two spots.

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All CBS needs to fix is Mondays at 9:30 and Fridays at 9:00.


 
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I'll third that! Smiler
CBS has a pretty darn stable lineup that works well for them in this ever increasing DVR world.

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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD:
I agree. CBS is pretty much set this season besides those two spots.

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Originally posted by himymfan22:
All CBS needs to fix is Mondays at 9:30 and Fridays at 9:00.



 
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For the Week Ending October 19, 2008

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11.40 Million Viewers
3.1/8.6 Demo Rating/Share
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Net	Day	Time	Length	Program                         Viewers*	Demo
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CBS	Sun	7:00	45 min	NFL OverRun                       23.220	8.4
CBS	Thu	9:00	60 min	CSI                               19.270	5.2
CBS	Tue	8:00	60 min	NCIS                              18.040	3.9
CBS	Tue	9:00	60 min	The Mentalist                     14.940	3.4
CBS	Mon	9:00	30 min	Two and a Half Men                14.720	5.3

CBS	Sun	7:45	60 min	60 Minutes                        14.530	3.3
CBS	Mon	10:00	60 min	CSI: Miami                        13.220	3.9
CBS	Thu	8:00	60 min	Survivor: Gibon                   12.810	4.2
CBS	Thu	10:00	60 min	Eleventh Hour                     11.910	3.2
CBS	Sun	9:45	60 min	Cold Case                         11.290	2.7

CBS	Tue	10:00	60 min	Without A Trace                   11.050	2.5
CBS	Sun	8:45	60 min	Amazing Race                      10.290	3.1
CBS	Mon	9:30	30 min	Worst Week                         9.750	3.2
CBS	Mon	8:00	30 min	Big Bang Theory                    9.340	3.6
CBS	Mon	8:30	30 min	How I Met Your Mother              9.250	3.9

CBS	Fri	8:00	60 min	Ghost Whisperer                    8.970	2.6
CBS	Fri	10:00	60 min	Numbers                            8.680	2.1
CBS	Sun	10:45	60 min	The Unit                           8.280	3.6
CBS	Wed	8:00	30 min	Old Christine                      7.610	2.2
CBS	Wed	8:30	30 min	Gary Unmarried                     7.530	2.3

CBS	Wed	10:30	30 min	Pres. Debate Analysis              7.190	2.2
CBS	Sat	10:00	60 min	48 Hours                           6.430	1.6
CBS	Sat	9:00	60 min	Crimetime                          6.330	1.3
CBS	Fri	9:00	60 min	The Ex-List                        6.290	2.0
CBS	Sat	8:00	60 min	Crimetime                          5.650	1.1


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For the Week Ending October 26, 2008

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11.35 Million Viewers
3.0/8.1 Demo Rating/Share
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Net	Day	Time	Length	Program                         Viewers*	Demo
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CBS	Thu	9:00	60 min	CSI                               19.490	5.5
CBS	Tue	8:00	60 min	NCIS                              17.230	3.6
CBS	Tue	9:00	60 min	The Mentalist                     15.280	3.4
CBS	Wed	9:00	60 min	Criminal Minds                    15.010	4.1
CBS	Mon	9:00	30 min	Two and a Half Men                14.630	5.1

CBS	Wed	10:00	60 min	CSI: NY                           14.390	3.9
CBS	Mon	10:00	60 min	CSI: Miami                        13.510	3.8
CBS	Thu	8:00	60 min	Survivor: Gibon                   13.310	4.4
CBS	Sun	7:00	60 min	60 Minutes                        12.820	2.2
CBS	Sun	9:00	60 min	Cold Case                         11.970	2.7

CBS	Thu	10:00	60 min	Eleventh Hour                     11.850	3.1
CBS	Tue	10:00	60 min	Without A Trace                   11.630	2.6
CBS	Fri	8:00	60 min	Ghost Whisperer                   10.140	2.6
CBS	Mon	9:30	30 min	Worst Week                         9.880	3.2
CBS	Sun	8:00	60 min	Amazing Race                       9.700	3.0

CBS	Mon	8:30	30 min	How I Met Your Mother              9.450	4.0
CBS	Mon	8:00	30 min	Big Bang Theory                    9.330	3.5
CBS	Fri	10:00	60 min	Numbers                            9.330	2.3
CBS	Sun	10:00	60 min	The Unit                           9.170	2.5
CBS	Wed	8:00	30 min	Old Christine                      7.760	2.4

CBS	Wed	8:30	30 min	Gary Unmarried                     7.560	2.5
CBS	Sat	9:00	60 min	Crimetime                          7.150	1.3
CBS	Sat	8:00	60 min	Crimetime                          6.730	1.4
CBS	Sat	10:00	60 min	48 Hours                           6.150	1.3
CBS	Fri	9:00	60 min	The Ex-List                        5.330	1.5


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For the Week Ending November 2, 2008

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11.32 Million Viewers
2.8/7.5 Demo Rating/Share
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Net	Day	Time	Length	Program                         Viewers*	Demo
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CBS	Thu	9:00	60 min	CSI                               19.100	4.8
CBS	Tue	8:00	60 min	NCIS                              17.260	3.4
CBS	Tue	9:00	60 min	The Mentalist                     16.070	3.9
CBS	Sun	7:00	60 min	60 Minutes                        14.320	2.7
CBS	Wed	9:00	60 min	Criminal Minds                    13.970	3.5

CBS	Wed	10:00	60 min	CSI: NY                           13.750	3.3
CBS	Thu	8:00	60 min	Survivor: Gibon                   13.020	4.1
CBS	Tue	10:00	60 min	Without A Trace                   12.190	2.9
CBS	Mon	9:00	30 min	Two and a Half Men   [R]          11.800	3.8
CBS	Sun	9:00	60 min	Cold Case                         11.660	2.6

CBS	Thu	10:00	60 min	Eleventh Hour                     11.250	2.8
CBS	Fri	9:00	60 min	NCIS [R]                          11.240	2.2
CBS	Fri	10:00	60 min	Numbers                           10.720	2.3
CBS	Mon	10:00	60 min	CSI: Miami [R]                    10.590	2.9
CBS	Sun	8:00	60 min	Amazing Race                       9.720	2.9

CBS	Fri	8:00	60 min	Ghost Whisperer                    9.400	2.2
CBS	Sun	10:00	60 min	The Unit                           8.980	2.3
CBS	Mon	9:30	30 min	Gary Unmarried [R]                 8.650	2.9
CBS	Wed	8:00	30 min	Obama Paid Political Ad            8.600	2.3
CBS	Mon	8:00	30 min	Big Bang Theory [R]                7.930	3.1

CBS	Wed	8:30	30 min	Old Christine                      7.610	2.3
CBS	Sat	10:00	60 min	48 Hours                           7.570	1.7
CBS	Mon	8:30	30 min	How I Met Your Mother  [R]         7.260	3.1
CBS	Sat	9:00	60 min	Crimetime                          7.240	1.4
CBS	Sat	8:00	60 min	Crimetime                          4.900	0.9


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For the Week Ending November 9, 2008

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11.04 Million Viewers
3.0/8 Demo Rating/Share
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Net	Day	Time	Length	Program                         Viewers*	Demo
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CBS	Sun	7:00	60 min	60 Minutes                        18.470	4.2
CBS	Thu	9:00	60 min	CSI                               18.180	5.1
CBS	Wed	9:00	60 min	Criminal Minds                    14.300	3.5
CBS	Mon	9:00	30 min	Two and a Half Men   [R]          12.760	4.6
CBS	Mon	10:00	60 min	CSI: Miami [R]                    12.740	3.6

CBS	Sun	9:00	60 min	Cold Case                         12.690	3.1
CBS	Thu	8:00	60 min	Survivor: Gibon                   12.010	3.8
CBS	Wed	10:00	60 min	CSI: NY                           11.800	3.3
CBS	Sun	8:00	60 min	Amazing Race                      11.710	3.4
CBS	Fri	10:00	60 min	Numbers                           11.280	2.7

CBS	Fri	9:00	60 min	NCIS [R]                          11.220	2.4
CBS	Thu	10:00	60 min	Eleventh Hour                     10.900	3.1
CBS	Fri	8:00	60 min	Ghost Whisperer                   10.890	2.8
CBS	Sun	10:00	60 min	The Unit                           9.870	2.6
CBS	Mon	8:00	30 min	Big Bang Theory [R]                9.670	3.7

CBS	Mon	8:30	30 min	How I Met Your Mother  [R]         9.400	4.1
CBS	Mon	9:30	30 min	Worst Week                         8.280	2.6
CBS	Sat	10:00	60 min	48 Hours                           8.120	1.9
CBS	Tue	8:00	180 min	Election Coverage                  7.410	2.3
CBS	Sat	9:00	60 min	Crimetime                          6.810	1.3

CBS	Wed	8:00	30 min	Old Christine                      6.500	1.9
CBS	Wed	8:30	30 min	Gary Unmarried                     6.330	2.1
CBS	Sat	8:00	60 min	Crimetime                          5.910	1.1


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For the Week Ending November 16, 2008

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12.31 Million Viewers
3.3/9 Demo Rating/Share
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Net	Day	Time	Length	Program                         Viewers*	Demo
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CBS	Sun	7:30	60 min	60 Minutes                        25.100	6.3
CBS	Sun	7:00	30 min	NFL Overrun                       19.690	6.9
CBS	Thu	9:00	60 min	CSI                               19.050	5.1
CBS	Tue	8:00	60 min	NCIS                              18.750	4.0
CBS	Tue	9:00	60 min	The Mentalist                     16.520	4.0

CBS	Wed	9:00	60 min	Criminal Minds                    14.830	3.8
CBS	Mon	9:00	30 min	Two and a Half Men   [R]          14.500	4.9
CBS	Mon	10:00	60 min	CSI: Miami [R]                    13.810	3.7
CBS	Thu	8:00	60 min	Survivor: Gibon                   12.880	4.0
CBS	Sun	9:30	60 min	Cold Case                         12.270	2.8

CBS	Tue	10:00	60 min	Without a Trace                   12.230	2.8
CBS	Sun	8:30	60 min	Amazing Race                      12.130	3.5
CBS	Thu	10:00	60 min	Eleventh Hour                     11.630	3.1
CBS	Wed	10:00	60 min	CSI: NY                           11.620	3.0
CBS	Fri	8:00	60 min	Ghost Whisperer                   11.580	2.9

CBS	Sun	10:30	60 min	The Unit                          10.230	2.7
CBS	Mon	8:00	30 min	Big Bang Theory [R]               10.010	3.9
CBS	Mon	8:30	30 min	How I Met Your Mother  [R]         9.790	4.2
CBS	Mon	9:30	30 min	Worst Week                         9.460	2.8
CBS	Fri	10:00	60 min	Numbers                            9.290	2.1

CBS	Fri	9:00	60 min	The Price Is Right                 7.100	1.6
CBS	Wed	8:00	30 min	Old Christine                      6.820	2.0
CBS	Wed	8:30	30 min	Gary Unmarried                     6.610	2.1
CBS	Sat	10:00	60 min	48 Hours                           6.100	1.5
CBS	Sat	8:00	120 min	Movie: Wedding Crashers            4.840	1.5

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For the Week Ending November 23, 2008

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12.04 Million Viewers
3.0/8 Demo Rating/Share
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Net	Day	Time	Length	Program                         Viewers*	Demo
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CBS	Thu	9:00	60 min	CSI                               18.450	5.0
CBS	Tue	8:00	60 min	NCIS                              17.990	3.5
CBS	Wed	9:00	60 min	Criminal Minds                    16.330	4.2
CBS	Tue	9:00	60 min	The Mentalist                     15.840	3.5
CBS	Mon	10:00	60 min	CSI: Miami                        15.460	4.2

CBS	Mon	9:00	30 min	Two and a Half Men                15.180	5.3
CBS	Sun	7:00	60 min	60 Minutes                        14.890	2.7
CBS	Wed	10:00	60 min	CSI: NY                           14.120	3.8
CBS	Thu	8:00	60 min	Survivor: Gibon                   12.500	4.0
CBS	Sun	9:00	60 min	Cold Case                         12.150	2.6

CBS	Tue	10:00	60 min	Without a Trace                   11.850	2.6
CBS	Fri	9:00	60 min	The Mentalist [R]                 11.540	2.4
CBS	Fri	10:00	60 min	Numbers                           11.290	2.5
CBS	Fri	8:00	60 min	Ghost Whisperer                   11.280	2.7
CBS	Thu	10:00	60 min	Eleventh Hour                     10.580	2.8

CBS	Mon	9:30	30 min	Worst Week                        10.240	3.2
CBS	Mon	8:30	30 min	How I Met Your Mother              9.990	4.4
CBS	Sun	10:00	60 min	The Unit                           9.990	2.5
CBS	Sun	8:00	60 min	Amazing Race                       9.860	2.7
CBS	Mon	8:00	30 min	Big Bang Theory                    9.760	3.8

CBS	Wed	8:30	30 min	Gary Unmarried                     7.880	2.7
CBS	Wed	8:00	30 min	Old Christine                      7.850	2.4
CBS	Sat	10:00	60 min	48 Hours                           7.460	1.9
CBS	Sat	9:00	60 min	Crimtime [R]                       6.880	1.4
CBS	Sat	8:00	60 min	Crimtime [R]                       5.880	1.2


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You know whats sad? Old Christine is one of the lowest shows on this list, yet it has 7.85 million viewers and a 2.4 demo. On any other network, that would be near the top of the list. Big Grin


 
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