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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
For the Week Ending October 5, 2008

Averages
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11.04 Million Viewers
3.1/8.7 Demo Rating/Share
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Net	Day	Time	Length	Program                         Viewers*	Demo
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CBS	Sun	7:00	30 min	NFL Overrun                       20.010	7.5
CBS	Tue	8:00	60 min	NCIS                              17.470	3.5
CBS	Tue	9:00	60 min	The Mentalist                     15.480	3.6
CBS	Wed	10:00	60 min	CSI: NY                           14.880	4.1
CBS	Wed	9:00	60 min	Criminal Minds                    14.780	3.9

CBS	Mon	10:00	60 min	CSI: Miami                        14.340	4.4
CBS	Sun	7:30	60 min	60 Minutes                        13.790	4.0
CBS	Mon	9:00	30 min	Two and a Half Men                13.580	4.7
CBS	Thu	8:00	60 min	Survivor: Gibon                   13.080	4.5
CBS	Tue	10:00	60 min	Without A Trace                   12.610	2.7

CBS	Sun	9:30	60 min	Cold Case                         11.100	2.8
CBS	Sun	8:30	60 min	Amazing Race                      11.000	3.4
CBS	Sun	10:30	60 min	The Unit                           9.460	2.7
CBS	Fri	8:00	60 min	Ghost Whisperer                    9.450	2.5
CBS	Mon	9:30	30 min	Worst Week                         8.960	2.9

CBS	Mon	8:30	30 min	How I Met Your Mother              8.720	3.7
CBS	Mon	8:00	30 min	Big Bang Theory                    8.600	3.3
CBS	Fri	10:00	60 min	Numbers                            8.210	2.1
CBS	Thu	10:40	40 min	CBS News Post Debate               7.970	2.4
CBS	Wed	8:30	30 min	Gary Unmarried                     6.920	2.2

CBS	Wed	8:00	30 min	Old Christine                      6.800	2.0
CBS	Fri	9:00	60 min	The Ex-List                        6.790	2.0
CBS	Sat	9:00	120 min	Elite XC Fights                    4.560	2.0
CBS	Sat	8:00	60 min	48 Hours                           4.520	0.9

Wow !! Thanks for posting this info :-) So happy seeing TM do so well and hope CBS realizes what it has is this show !!
Do you think CBS will give it a full season order ?

CBS's demo is struggling like the rest of the nets but it is having some very solid success stories on Tuesday and Wednesday. I predict more success on Thursday this week (coming in a very strong second to ABC). If they can get their act figured out on Fridays at 9 (sorry but the Ex List isn't going to cut it) and if they can do some rearranging so a stronger comedy leads off Wednesday (even 2.5 Men repeats to warm up the slot for Rules), then I think things could really align for the eye this year. I would also order up more Elite XC as that's better for them than drama repeats. The only difference is lead off with Elite XC and then air 48 Hours.

Of course The Mentalist will get a full season order. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.

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Originally posted by StopAnimalAbuse:

Do you think CBS will give it a full season order ?

CBS has a very strong schedule. Just a few weak spots:

Friday at 9 PM needs to change fast. Ex-List isn't helping CBS being the third lowest show on the chart. Flashpoint should just sit there with repeats until the new episodes of Flashpoint can start up.

Wednesday at 8 PM needs to change fast also. Christine is 4 from the bottom and putting in terrible ratings. Project Gary isn't doing much better 5th from the bottom. I'd suggest moving Amazing Race there when it comes back in the spring. Until then, they could try Jingles or Million Dollar Password for November sweeps.

Rules of Engagement can fill in for Worst Week after Two and A Half Men during November Sweeps. The remaining comedies can fill in the Sunday at 8 PM spot in January.

That just leaves Harper's Island and if Eleventh Hour doesn't do well, it could slide in there.

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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD:
Of course The Mentalist will get a full season order. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.

CBS already put in an order for 6 more scripts. I agree with you that a full season order is guaranteed. The script order is probably just to keep the writers busy over the next week until the real back 9 order can have its i's dotted and t's crossed.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
CBS's demo is struggling like the rest of the nets but it is having some very solid success stories on Tuesday and Wednesday. I predict more success on Thursday this week (coming in a very strong second to ABC). If they can get their act figured out on Fridays at 9 (sorry but the Ex List isn't going to cut it) and if they can do some rearranging so a stronger comedy leads off Wednesday (even 2.5 Men repeats to warm up the slot for Rules), then I think things could really align for the eye this year. I would also order up more Elite XC as that's better for them than drama repeats. The only difference is lead off with Elite XC and then air 48 Hours.

I think CBS might come very close in winning the key demo, especially with the premiere of CSI( they have hyped it up a lot)

They may. The problem of course will be that CSI could drop in the means of around 5 million viewers in the second week like it did last year.

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Originally posted by Charmqn:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
CBS's demo is struggling like the rest of the nets but it is having some very solid success stories on Tuesday and Wednesday. I predict more success on Thursday this week (coming in a very strong second to ABC). If they can get their act figured out on Fridays at 9 (sorry but the Ex List isn't going to cut it) and if they can do some rearranging so a stronger comedy leads off Wednesday (even 2.5 Men repeats to warm up the slot for Rules), then I think things could really align for the eye this year. I would also order up more Elite XC as that's better for them than drama repeats. The only difference is lead off with Elite XC and then air 48 Hours.

I think CBS might come very close in winning the key demo, especially with the premiere of CSI( they have hyped it up a lot)

Well, Based on how poor ABC and NBC have done this week, so far
and....
how well CBS has done plus the huge numbers from CSI and what should be a stronger than usual Saturday night, with Football, CBS may just blow the others out of the water this week.

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Originally posted by Charmqn:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
CBS's demo is struggling like the rest of the nets but it is having some very solid success stories on Tuesday and Wednesday. I predict more success on Thursday this week (coming in a very strong second to ABC). If they can get their act figured out on Fridays at 9 (sorry but the Ex List isn't going to cut it) and if they can do some rearranging so a stronger comedy leads off Wednesday (even 2.5 Men repeats to warm up the slot for Rules), then I think things could really align for the eye this year. I would also order up more Elite XC as that's better for them than drama repeats. The only difference is lead off with Elite XC and then air 48 Hours.

I think CBS might come very close in winning the key demo, especially with the premiere of CSI( they have hyped it up a lot)

I think they will TV. Their strength in 25-45 year olds crosses over enough that it will propel their 18-49s to better numbers than the rest. The sad reality is that these victories are not really because of CBS's demo strength but the other networks just terrible performances. ABC's is really bad.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
Well, Based on how poor ABC and NBC have done this week, so far
and....
how well CBS has done plus the huge numbers from CSI and what should be a stronger than usual Saturday night, with Football, CBS may just blow the others out of the water this week.

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Originally posted by Charmqn:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
CBS's demo is struggling like the rest of the nets but it is having some very solid success stories on Tuesday and Wednesday. I predict more success on Thursday this week (coming in a very strong second to ABC). If they can get their act figured out on Fridays at 9 (sorry but the Ex List isn't going to cut it) and if they can do some rearranging so a stronger comedy leads off Wednesday (even 2.5 Men repeats to warm up the slot for Rules), then I think things could really align for the eye this year. I would also order up more Elite XC as that's better for them than drama repeats. The only difference is lead off with Elite XC and then air 48 Hours.

I think CBS might come very close in winning the key demo, especially with the premiere of CSI( they have hyped it up a lot)

You just can't give CBS the credit that its due.
Yes, ABC and NBC are bad, but CBS is a steady, strong machine in the ratings.

But all will be forgotten come January when FOX speeds past everyone to take the Season title... again.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
The sad reality is that these victories are not really because of CBS's demo strength but the other networks just terrible performances. ABC's is really bad.

The reason I gave them no credit because they still only brought in a whopping 3.1 in the demo last week. That's not good regardless of what the other nets are doing. CBS has had some sure successes this fall (the Mentalist, 3/4 strong Monday comedies, all three CSI's taking advantage of weaker timeslots, WAT managing to break Judging Amy's curse, Criminal Minds, and the building blocks of a potential Wed. comedy block, but they've got holes on Fridays, Mondays, and eventually Thursdays if I had to guess with 11th Hour. Sundays also remain very very older skewing aside from TAR when football isn't pumping it up. The demo will go up a few points this week thanks to CSI, but they won't spike all that much because of no overrun on Sunday. If I had to guess, they'll still be down year to year. I will give them credit here: their strong 35-49 range of viewers will help them probably take a decent second in the demo this year. However their very weak 18-34 ratings will keep shows like NCIS from making much more than America's Next Top Model. Sadly, you are right in that one show will decide it all once again: American Idol.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
You just can't give CBS the credit that its due.
Yes, ABC and NBC are bad, but CBS is a steady, strong machine in the ratings.

But all will be forgotten come January when FOX speeds past everyone to take the Season title... again.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
The sad reality is that these victories are not really because of CBS's demo strength but the other networks just terrible performances. ABC's is really bad.

1st off, CSI: is in a tough time Slot (Grey's & The Office/SNL)

2nd, I would say that the other two CSI's make their time slots weak beacuse the other nets can't compete against them. They dominate their slots to a point that ABC and NBC don't know what to do.

3rd, CBS weekly average for the first week was a 3.1. And thats without CSI. ABC only managed a 3.8 with an expanded 2 hour Grey's Anatomy. When you look at the 2nd week, CBS went up to a 3.2 rating (still without CSI), yet ABC, without GA, dropped a full point to 2.8. Without the Office, NBC droped a 1/2 point to a 2.8. Even FOX dropped in the second week a 1/2 point. Yet, CBS managed to GROW in the Demo and tqake the #1 spot for the week. And they had drops against Baseball and some Season Premieres from ABC

4th, CBS has a chance at a 4.0 rating this week, yet, you will say its because of weak competiton. Well, I say the competition is week because CBS is so strong. no matter what ABC and NBC put up against it, CBS usually prevails.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
The reason I gave them no credit because they still only brought in a whopping 3.1 in the demo last week. That's not good regardless of what the other nets are doing. CBS has had some sure successes this fall (the Mentalist, 3/4 strong Monday comedies, all three CSI's taking advantage of weaker timeslots, WAT managing to break Judging Amy's curse, Criminal Minds, and the building blocks of a potential Wed. comedy block, but they've got holes on Fridays, Mondays, and eventually Thursdays if I had to guess with 11th Hour. Sundays also remain very very older skewing aside from TAR when football isn't pumping it up. The demo will go up a few points this week thanks to CSI, but they won't spike all that much because of no overrun on Sunday. If I had to guess, they'll still be down year to year. I will give them credit here: their strong 35-49 range of viewers will help them probably take a decent second in the demo this year. However their very weak 18-34 ratings will keep shows like NCIS from making much more than America's Next Top Model. Sadly, you are right in that one show will decide it all once again: American Idol.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
1st off, CSI: is in a tough time Slot (Grey's & The Office/SNL)

2nd, I would say that the other two CSI's make their time slots weak beacuse the other nets can't compete against them. They dominate their slots to a point that ABC and NBC don't know what to do.

3rd, CBS weekly average for the first week was a 3.1. And thats without CSI. ABC only managed a 3.8 with an expanded 2 hour Grey's Anatomy. When you look at the 2nd week, CBS went up to a 3.2 rating (still without CSI), yet ABC, without GA, dropped a full point to 2.8. Without the Office, NBC droped a 1/2 point to a 2.8. Even FOX dropped in the second week a 1/2 point. Yet, CBS managed to GROW in the Demo and tqake the #1 spot for the week. And they had drops against Baseball and some Season Premieres from ABC

4th, CBS has a chance at a 4.0 rating this week, yet, you will say its because of weak competiton. Well, I say the competition is week because CBS is so strong. no matter what ABC and NBC put up against it, CBS usually prevails.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
The reason I gave them no credit because they still only brought in a whopping 3.1 in the demo last week. That's not good regardless of what the other nets are doing. CBS has had some sure successes this fall (the Mentalist, 3/4 strong Monday comedies, all three CSI's taking advantage of weaker timeslots, WAT managing to break Judging Amy's curse, Criminal Minds, and the building blocks of a potential Wed. comedy block, but they've got holes on Fridays, Mondays, and eventually Thursdays if I had to guess with 11th Hour. Sundays also remain very very older skewing aside from TAR when football isn't pumping it up. The demo will go up a few points this week thanks to CSI, but they won't spike all that much because of no overrun on Sunday. If I had to guess, they'll still be down year to year. I will give them credit here: their strong 35-49 range of viewers will help them probably take a decent second in the demo this year. However their very weak 18-34 ratings will keep shows like NCIS from making much more than America's Next Top Model. Sadly, you are right in that one show will decide it all once again: American Idol.

Yes, CBS did not have CSI in the second week, however, their 3.2 average was helped along by a huge football runover on the Sunday. Without that runover, they would have finished the week tied with ABC or only .1 ahead.

In terms of this week, depending on how well last night's college football did, they should come in around a 3.5 with ABC likely second at around a 3.0

The original CSI has faced solid competition through out its run but that show is clearly miles stronger than the spinoffs ever were or will be. The fact of the matter is that when strong shows have aired against the spinoffs before, particularly New York, it has dropped a good portion. Lost and Medium did a number on it two years ago. Law and Order wasn't strong in the ratings so much but did put a dent in it last year. Now it faces Lipstick Jungle and DSM. I would hope it would increase in viewers. Miami has faced Medium in modest strength before. The Bachelor is the strongest any ABC show has ever been against Miami. Not what I would call great competition. The shows deserve tons of credit for hanging on to viewers over the year and rebounding when the competition goes away. They also deserve credit for keeping those viewers despite some utterly boring episodes (NY) and a wretched cast (Miami). As for the weakly averages, CBS won't hit a 4.0. Its not hard to figure out how to counter to the CSIs and their clones. ABC learned quickly with Greys that female skewing stuff works. That's why the Bachelor and those slew of other relationship dramas have been placed there and likely why DSM stayed where it was instead of Boston Legal staying on that night. NBC doesn't have anything to counter but Medium and Law and Order. If they were wise, they would get them back on Mondays and Wednesdays this November for full 22 episode seasons. Like Zedman said, the NFL plays as a large role in CBS's demo strength, similar to what it does for NBC but not to the extent it does for NBC. The eye would've dropped in its second week too if it weren't for the NFL. CSI will probably lead the eye to around a 3.5 this week (still strong and stable but the NFL would've pushed them to a 4.0- next week CSI will probably drop big so the NFL will keep them at a 3.5 or so) but not dominating in any fashion. If ABC weren't run by chimps and actually used their hits to launch new shows and made the moves they should have made in the past few years and this fall, they wouldn't be in their current position and probably would be whipping CBS handily in the demo like they did week one before the newer shows came back with no support system in place. Plus you pointed out why ABC dropped so much in week two: Greys Anatomy. It is a monster in ABC's schedule. CBS's strength is in many ways because of the CBS shows but the weak competition does nothing but help their shows.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
1st off, CSI: is in a tough time Slot (Grey's & The Office/SNL)

2nd, I would say that the other two CSI's make their time slots weak beacuse the other nets can't compete against them. They dominate their slots to a point that ABC and NBC don't know what to do.

3rd, CBS weekly average for the first week was a 3.1. And thats without CSI. ABC only managed a 3.8 with an expanded 2 hour Grey's Anatomy. When you look at the 2nd week, CBS went up to a 3.2 rating (still without CSI), yet ABC, without GA, dropped a full point to 2.8. Without the Office, NBC droped a 1/2 point to a 2.8. Even FOX dropped in the second week a 1/2 point. Yet, CBS managed to GROW in the Demo and tqake the #1 spot for the week. And they had drops against Baseball and some Season Premieres from ABC

4th, CBS has a chance at a 4.0 rating this week, yet, you will say its because of weak competiton. Well, I say the competition is week because CBS is so strong. no matter what ABC and NBC put up against it, CBS usually prevails.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
The reason I gave them no credit because they still only brought in a whopping 3.1 in the demo last week. That's not good regardless of what the other nets are doing. CBS has had some sure successes this fall (the Mentalist, 3/4 strong Monday comedies, all three CSI's taking advantage of weaker timeslots, WAT managing to break Judging Amy's curse, Criminal Minds, and the building blocks of a potential Wed. comedy block, but they've got holes on Fridays, Mondays, and eventually Thursdays if I had to guess with 11th Hour. Sundays also remain very very older skewing aside from TAR when football isn't pumping it up. The demo will go up a few points this week thanks to CSI, but they won't spike all that much because of no overrun on Sunday. If I had to guess, they'll still be down year to year. I will give them credit here: their strong 35-49 range of viewers will help them probably take a decent second in the demo this year. However their very weak 18-34 ratings will keep shows like NCIS from making much more than America's Next Top Model. Sadly, you are right in that one show will decide it all once again: American Idol.

Mushu_jj, you can use paragraphs.

I don't think ABC vs. CBS is the issue. Both networks have the problems.

ABC targets whimsical shows that can't pull a wide audience. The reason why ABC cancels almost everything first year out is because their ideas don't connect with a big enough audience. Critics may like them, but viewers don't.

CBS instead goes for shows that they know their viewers will like. It might not be the most innovative but it works. Whenever CBS tries something different, it fails. Even if they try to change their tone and go darker, like 11th Hour, it fails. They have a narrow scope of what the bulk of their audience will like.

How does ABC solve their problem? Pick more procedural, more stable based shows that people will actually watch. Life On Mars is a start. Castle should do well for them.

How does CBS solve their problem? Spinoffs. Use the familiar name of CSI, Criminal Minds, NCIS which will get the base watching. Now twist it so that new audiences will watch it. Make is slicker, more younger skewing.