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quote: Originally posted by mushu_jj: quote: Originally posted by yankeesrj12: NO 1 VS. 100?  
Another idiotic move. 
Not surprising. NBC hates 1 vs 100 and loves 30 Rock and FNL. That's why the 1 vs 100 is gone and the two latter shows are back for another season.
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quote: Originally posted by CaseyM:
I find none of the new shows interesting enough for me to tune in.
My Own Worst Enemy sounded like it would have real potential until I read the plot synopsis. Now, Kings probably tops my interest list. Hopefully, it can be a setting appropriate version of Deadwood rather than a setting appropriate version of Cane. Blue Blood also has potential, if it ever moves from pilot to series. quote: The same can be said for the returning shows except for Medium and maybe Heroes (depending if the show gets better).
I look forward to the final season of ER and maybe My Name is Earl. I might give Life another try as well. Beyond that, NBC has lost my interest. |
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I agree that those three pilots have the most potential and the only ones I could see making it on NBC that made the cut. I like Life but putting it on Friday at 10 is killing it. It won't make it past December as a reality show will replace it. quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by CaseyM:
I find none of the new shows interesting enough for me to tune in.
My Own Worst Enemy sounded like it would have real potential until I read the plot synopsis. Now, Kings probably tops my interest list. Hopefully, it can be a setting appropriate version of Deadwood rather than a setting appropriate version of Cane. Blue Blood also has potential, if it ever moves from pilot to series. quote: The same can be said for the returning shows except for Medium and maybe Heroes (depending if the show gets better).
I look forward to the final season of ER and maybe My Name is Earl. I might give Life another try as well. Beyond that, NBC has lost my interest.
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quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by CaseyM:
I find none of the new shows interesting enough for me to tune in.
My Own Worst Enemy sounded like it would have real potential until I read the plot synopsis. Now, Kings probably tops my interest list. Hopefully, it can be a setting appropriate version of Deadwood rather than a setting appropriate version of Cane. Blue Blood also has potential, if it ever moves from pilot to series. quote: The same can be said for the returning shows except for Medium and maybe Heroes (depending if the show gets better).
I look forward to the final season of ER and maybe My Name is Earl. I might give Life another try as well. Beyond that, NBC has lost my interest.
My Own Worst Enemy looks like it could be interesting. It depends on if they focus more on the Jekell/Hyde side of the premise or the Bourne side. Action will work better than drama, especially teamed up with Chuck and Heroes. Crusoe looks like it would work better as a TV movie or a mini-series. The premise is going to wear thin quickly or we'll end up with Gilligan's Island type storylines. |
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quote: Originally posted by Holly:
My Own Worst Enemy looks like it could be interesting. It depends on if they focus more on the Jekell/Hyde side of the premise or the Bourne side. Action will work better than drama, especially teamed up with Chuck and Heroes.
Action is good, but my fear is that he will be undercover in the middle of a sophisticated foreign political situation when he forgets the language or he will be in the middle of defusing a bomb when he forgets all his training. The whole idea of a slipping between his two personas could make this show really annoying rather than really intriguing. Besides, it now sounds a lot like 'True Lies' and I hated that movie. What kind of idiots stand around high fiving each other because they only allowed 1 nuclear bomb to go off in the Florida Keys? |
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quote: Originally posted by Holly:
Crusoe looks like it would work better as a TV movie or a mini-series. The premise is going to wear thin quickly or we'll end up with Gilligan's Island type storylines.
I think they're treating Crusoe more like a miniseries. Its only slated to air this fall.
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quote: Originally posted by mushu_jj:
I think they're treating Crusoe more like a miniseries. Its only slated to air this fall.
Almost all their new product is like that. The claim is that they want to limit reruns, but the problem they will have is that if a series does take off, they will be behind schedule in getting more new episodes made so they will kill momentum of the new show. |
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Honestly, I'm a bit surprised at how out of everything about NBC's schedule, that so many people here are upset over 1 vs. 100 possibly not returning. Its a gameshow!?!? And why should NBC keep that series when they can keep DOND, which gets bigger ratings? Not only that, they have tons of new reality shows that will air within the next year. Sorry, I just dont get it. I'm just happy to see that there will be a lot of scripted programming returning next season while Kings is definitely the new series that I'm looking forward to the most (also My Own Worst Enemy and Crusoe).
Also, I think people here focus way too much on ratings. Demos and critical acclaim have a high appeal to advertisers. I've mentioned this before, but The Office, 30 Rock, FNL, and The Celebrity Apprentice all do well among affluent viewers. The Office and Heroes get high demos among adults 18-49; even Chuck did well with young audiences. Lipstick Jungle is NBC's only series that attracts high amounts of female audiences, which is probably why its returning. With the DirectTV deal, NBC can have FNL air, and even with really low ratings, it wont matter, because they'll please critics and its small fanbase without losing any money.
And on another note, I do agree that I dont really see any new NBC series "breaking out" next season. But Medium, Heroes, My Name Is Earl, and Bionic Woman surprised everyone when they premiered to high ratings (the latter of which drastically bombed afterwards though), so who knows what could happen.
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If there's one thing NBC is still good at its promotion. Their ability to get people to still check them out(Bionic Woman and Life were great examples this past fall) even when their overall numbers suck is a testament to their promotions department. The CW can't even get people to try their shows. As for 1 vs. 100, among 18-49s, the show was as popular as DOND was on Fridays and couldn't be much more expensive. Keeping that on the air would have helped with limiting DOND and allowed NBC to use it to fill holes on nights like Sunday and Monday come midseason. quote: Originally posted by Legends:
Honestly, I'm a bit surprised at how out of everything about NBC's schedule, that so many people here are upset over 1 vs. 100 possibly not returning. Its a gameshow!?!? And why should NBC keep that series when they can keep DOND, which gets bigger ratings? Not only that, they have tons of new reality shows that will air within the next year. Sorry, I just dont get it. I'm just happy to see that there will be a lot of scripted programming returning next season while Kings is definitely the new series that I'm looking forward to the most (also My Own Worst Enemy and Crusoe).
Also, I think people here focus way too much on ratings. Demos and critical acclaim have a high appeal to advertisers. I've mentioned this before, but The Office, 30 Rock, FNL, and The Celebrity Apprentice all do well among affluent viewers. The Office and Heroes get high demos among adults 18-49; even Chuck did well with young audiences. Lipstick Jungle is NBC's only series that attracts high amounts of female audiences, which is probably why its returning. With the DirectTV deal, NBC can have FNL air, and even with really low ratings, it wont matter, because they'll please critics and its small fanbase without losing any money.
And on another note, I do agree that I dont really see any new NBC series "breaking out" next season. But Medium, Heroes, My Name Is Earl, and Bionic Woman surprised everyone when they premiered to high ratings (the latter of which drastically bombed afterwards though), so who knows what could happen.
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quote: Originally posted by Obveeus: quote: Originally posted by Holly:
My Own Worst Enemy looks like it could be interesting. It depends on if they focus more on the Jekell/Hyde side of the premise or the Bourne side. Action will work better than drama, especially teamed up with Chuck and Heroes.
Action is good, but my fear is that he will be undercover in the middle of a sophisticated foreign political situation when he forgets the language or he will be in the middle of defusing a bomb when he forgets all his training. The whole idea of a slipping between his two personas could make this show really annoying rather than really intriguing. Besides, it now sounds a lot like 'True Lies' and I hated that movie. What kind of idiots stand around high fiving each other because they only allowed 1 nuclear bomb to go off in the Florida Keys?
Spoilers for the Bourne booksOr they could have it like the Bourne books (which have very little in common with the movies), where the main character "switches" between Jason Bourne/Cane and David Webb. Even when Webb suddenly can't remember how to do something that Bourne can, it's never farcical. There's some tension/panic, then he lets Bourne's instincts take over (e.g. he couldn't tell you how to take apart a gun, but if he shuts off his mind a bit, he can do it without thinking). We'll see what happens when we have more information or a pilot, but I'm at least curious, which is more than I can say for Knight Rider. |
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Well, I agree that I dont see any reason why NBC cancelled 1 vs. 100, but I do think the net will be fine without it. And NBC is pretty good with promotion, which is why I see Kings, Crusoe, My Own Worst Enemy, etc, doing ok during premiere ratings, but the shows just have to be good in order to keep the audiences. It will be interesting to see how all their new dramas develop. Crusoe doesnt even have a cast yet, while I hope they pick good supporting casts for Kings and MOWE. I think NBC's new batch of dramas have more potential then Life, Chuck, Bionic Woman, Journeyman, and Lipstick Jungle. quote: Originally posted by mushu_jj: If there's one thing NBC is still good at its promotion. Their ability to get people to still check them out(Bionic Woman and Life were great examples this past fall) even when their overall numbers suck is a testament to their promotions department. The CW can't even get people to try their shows. As for 1 vs. 100, among 18-49s, the show was as popular as DOND was on Fridays and couldn't be much more expensive. Keeping that on the air would have helped with limiting DOND and allowed NBC to use it to fill holes on nights like Sunday and Monday come midseason. quote: Originally posted by Legends:
Honestly, I'm a bit surprised at how out of everything about NBC's schedule, that so many people here are upset over 1 vs. 100 possibly not returning. Its a gameshow!?!? And why should NBC keep that series when they can keep DOND, which gets bigger ratings? Not only that, they have tons of new reality shows that will air within the next year. Sorry, I just dont get it. I'm just happy to see that there will be a lot of scripted programming returning next season while Kings is definitely the new series that I'm looking forward to the most (also My Own Worst Enemy and Crusoe).
Also, I think people here focus way too much on ratings. Demos and critical acclaim have a high appeal to advertisers. I've mentioned this before, but The Office, 30 Rock, FNL, and The Celebrity Apprentice all do well among affluent viewers. The Office and Heroes get high demos among adults 18-49; even Chuck did well with young audiences. Lipstick Jungle is NBC's only series that attracts high amounts of female audiences, which is probably why its returning. With the DirectTV deal, NBC can have FNL air, and even with really low ratings, it wont matter, because they'll please critics and its small fanbase without losing any money.
And on another note, I do agree that I dont really see any new NBC series "breaking out" next season. But Medium, Heroes, My Name Is Earl, and Bionic Woman surprised everyone when they premiered to high ratings (the latter of which drastically bombed afterwards though), so who knows what could happen.
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quote: Originally posted by Legends:
With the DirectTV deal, NBC can have FNL air, and even with really low ratings, it wont matter, because they'll please critics and its small fanbase without losing any money.
Supposedly, NBC can see a 15% drop in FNL's ratings and still break even on the direct TV deal. So, they need to hold 85% of the current ratings, even though they will be airing reruns AND they need advertisers to sign up and spend what NBC is expecting (maybe the same amount as they did last year?) for the ad space during those reruns. |
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If I had a guess, it was between 1 vs. 100 and Lipstick Jungle for the last schedule spot. Until a few days ago, Lipstick Jungle was rumored to be cancelled and it made a shocking apparance back on the schedule. That being said, the chances of Lipstick Jungle making it past December is very slim. If it doesn't get a ratings pickup within the first three episodes, it will be cancelled. There is a limit to NBC's charity. What happened to NBC shows like Singing Bee and Phenomenon? It isn't cancelled and it isn't on the summer schedule as far as I know.
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Singing Bee is supposed to be back this summer. Like the primetime Family Feud set to air this summer, they didn't make it onto NBC's 52 week schedule, so they must have been 'pre- cancelled'.  |
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quote: Originally posted by mushu_jj:
If there's one thing NBC is still good at its promotion. Their ability to get people to still check them out(Bionic Woman and Life were great examples this past fall) even when their overall numbers suck is a testament to their promotions department.
Actually, I think NBC has difficulty promoting. Getting viewers to BIONIC WOMAN was more about that name than anything NBC did, and LIFE just went along for the ride. In fact, the promotion of LIFE was widely panned. Something like HEROES was so different that it wasn't surprising news of it reached the mass audience. MEDIUM came along at a time just before NBC really began to slide. Consider though the relatively modest premiere of CHUCK this year and the weak numbers for KIDNAPPED the year before. And while I am not suggesting FNL should get or "deserves" better numbers, I can promise you that you don't need to know much about marketing to realize that its promoters missed the boat. With its wide variety of shows, promotion is actually setup to be difficult. Any number of its shows are difficult to promote on any one show. They have no core genre. If there is a core audience, it is all over the map. |
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