NBC's current probs began, IMO, when they stayed with "Joey" far too long. 'Twas then they lost their touch of knowing the best time to ax a show. And they failed to learn any lessons from their flops or the flops on other nets. For example, "Three Wishes" quickly tanked, but they tried a similarly-themed, but inferior show, "Dream Vote", which bombed even more quickly than "Wishes".

They stuck with FNL for awhile now, & while I personally love it, it's simply not gonna pick up in its ratings if it hasn't done it by now. Time for NBC to give it an honorable conclusion & wrap it up in a manner similar to the movie.

They oughtta give "Raines" a chance to develop a larger fanbase, even though it might be tough with the airways filled with crime/procedural shows. And "Black Donnellys" shoulda been given at least a coupla more ep airings...or, actually, it shoulda been held for the summer, as shows with croox as its main chars haven't fared too well over the last few years.

IMO, "Studio 60" should be abandoned, "The Apprentice" should be seeing its last season, as the public has seen enuffa The Donald to have satisfied its curiosity of what he loox & sounds like, & ratings are only gonna fall..& Las Vegas should be aired regularly, long as it's fairly hot.

The original L&O needsta be moved to a more-favorable time slot, while L&O-CI should be dropped. L&O-SVU will remain hot only as long as Meloni & Hargitay play the main chars. I get a sense of continuation from having some of the people from "Homicide" reprising their roles, & I don't believe I'm at all alone here. While L&O suffered with the death of Orbach, I believe it could still pick up steam in a better time slot. The strategy of placing a proven solid show into a cruddy time slot just won't work, & it'll only get worse when high school football on Fridays resumes.

Seems NBC needsta re-learn an old rule from radio days...that acclaim by professional critix seldom ensures a large fanbase.

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Originally posted by robycop3:
NBC's current probs began, IMO, when they stayed ......, but inferior show, "Dream Vote", which bombed even more quickly than "Wishes".

I know the show came and went quickly, but Dream Vote was on ABC.

I strongly disagree about L&O CI - it's still got some life left in it. The Black Donnelly's is a perfect example of NBC doing something right and canning a show that clearly was not clicking. The Apprentice is a good concept but needs a different mogul.

I agree with x. The Black Donnellys was a loser overall.

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:

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Originally posted by robycop3:
NBC's current probs began, IMO, when they stayed ......, but inferior show, "Dream Vote", which bombed even more quickly than "Wishes".

I know the show came and went quickly, but Dream Vote was on ABC.

I strongly disagree about L&O CI - it's still got some life left in it. The Black Donnelly's is a perfect example of NBC doing something right and canning a show that clearly was not clicking. The Apprentice is a good concept but needs a different mogul.

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:

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Originally posted by robycop3:
NBC's current probs began, IMO, when they stayed ......, but inferior show, "Dream Vote", which bombed even more quickly than "Wishes".

I know the show came and went quickly, but Dream Vote was on ABC.

I strongly disagree about L&O CI - it's still got some life left in it. The Black Donnelly's is a perfect example of NBC doing something right and canning a show that clearly was not clicking. The Apprentice is a good concept but needs a different mogul.

I agree about L&O: CI....it does best when it is being unopposed. I think one of its episodes this season pulled a 10HH rating earlier this year. Going against House and The Unit with no lead-in is asking a lot from the show.

I'm not so sure about the original though...if it is not able to top Numb3ers, I don't know if it can hang with CSI:NY (even though it did last season). In hindsight NBC should have NEVER bumped it up to Wednesdays at 9 to lead-in to Heist...that's when the ratings really started to go bad. Even when NBC tried to reverse this move, it was just too late.

The network should have definitely nurtured Raines more than it did. I think the first few episodes actually had growth in the 1/2 hour breakdowns and I think on Fridays, its been building on its lead-in....

They should have held Las Vegas til midseason and put it on after football went away. This was a solid show on Mondays and moving to Fridays just really killed it.....

And whatever happened to The Biggest Loser? The 2nd season was huge, but then didn't they change it all around for the 3rd go-around and the ratings plummeted?

It might not hurt to try The Contender again, as well...I know the show got low ratings, but I remember it got VERY GOOD demos....NBC has a lot of quality reality shows that come throught there, but they just never seem to get marketed correctly....

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Okay so NBC has had maybe the worst midseason strategy of all the networks as ratings show. Even worse off then ABC's disasterous December and January. So what should've NBC done this midseason? As I look back, some strategic placement of certain shows could've improved fortunes overall and simply given the death slots over to more alternative and cheap programming. Here's what I would've done:
Monday:
DOND
Heroes/Identity (March&April)
Friday Night Lights (til April)/ Raines

Tuesday:
The Apprentice
Scrubs
30 Rock
Law and Order: SVU
Okay, this night features the more affluent Apprentice, Scrubs, and 30 Rock taking on the less affluent Idol. The comedies showed little shrinkage in audience against Idol's Thursday presence earlier this year and Scrubs has survived time and time again against it.

Wednesday:
1 vs. 100
Dateline
Law and Order
Use cheap stuff to combat Idol. Let 1 vs. 100 stay away from Idol more than Dateline and even Dateline did well at 9 last year against Idol. Let the mothership stay put at 10.

Thursday:
Earl
Office
DOND
ER

This worked well in the fall. Why did they change it? I know they want a Thursday comedy block, but trying to get something to grow against Greys/CSI is just dumb.

Friday:
Crossing Jordan/Criminal Intent
Las Vegas/Criminal Intent
Medium

All 3 are very compatible and could've helped bring a few more viewers to each. Have Criminal Intent replace repeats of Vegas and CJ, which typically don't repeat well.

Saturday:
Dateline 2 hours
repeats

Sunday:
Dateline
Studio 60(there are no dramas major dramas here)
Grease
Black Donnellys (launch in March against repeats)
This night is tough for just about anything. Frankly, maybe air movies through sweeps and then go with this lineup.

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:

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Originally posted by robycop3:
NBC's current probs began, IMO, when they stayed ......, but inferior show, "Dream Vote", which bombed even more quickly than "Wishes".

I know the show came and went quickly, but Dream Vote was on ABC. The best show on TV is Studio Sixty. Best written, produced, and acted.

I strongly disagree about L&O CI - it's still got some life left in it. The Black Donnelly's is a perfect example of NBC doing something right and canning a show that clearly was not clicking. The Apprentice is a good concept but needs a different mogul.

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Originally posted by SleptOn:

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:

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Originally posted by robycop3:
NBC's current probs began, IMO, when they stayed ......, but inferior show, "Dream Vote", which bombed even more quickly than "Wishes".

I know the show came and went quickly, but Dream Vote was on ABC.

I strongly disagree about L&O CI - it's still got some life left in it. The Black Donnelly's is a perfect example of NBC doing something right and canning a show that clearly was not clicking. The Apprentice is a good concept but needs a different mogul.

I agree about L&O: CI....it does best when it is being unopposed. I think one of its episodes this season pulled a 10HH rating earlier this year. Going against House and The Unit with no lead-in is asking a lot from the show.

I'm not so sure about the original though...if it is not able to top Numb3ers, I don't know if it can hang with CSI:NY (even though it did last season). In hindsight NBC should have NEVER bumped it up to Wednesdays at 9 to lead-in to Heist...that's when the ratings really started to go bad. Even when NBC tried to reverse this move, it was just too late.

The network should have definitely nurtured Raines more than it did. I think the first few episodes actually had growth in the 1/2 hour breakdowns and I think on Fridays, its been building on its lead-in....

They should have held Las Vegas til midseason and put it on after football went away. This was a solid show on Mondays and moving to Fridays just really killed it.....

And whatever happened to The Biggest Loser? The 2nd season was huge, but then didn't they change it all around for the 3rd go-around and the ratings plummeted?

It might not hurt to try The Contender again, as well...I know the show got low ratings, but I remember it got VERY GOOD demos....NBC has a lot of quality reality shows that come throught there, but they just never seem to get marketed correctly....

The best show on TV is Studio Sixty.

Why did you say the same thing 3 times?

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Originally posted by vlis:
Why did you say the same thing 3 times?

The Sorkinites believe that if they say it enough times, it will become true.

To bad for them Studio 60 has been sacrificed to the summer burnoff strategy.

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Originally posted by Riff Rafferty:

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Originally posted by vlis:
Why did you say the same thing 3 times?

The Sorkinites believe that if they say it enough times, it will become true.

It was simply a bad show. Despite an inital high sampling, tons of promotion, strong press coverage and a powerful lead-in people abandoned it in droves. It can't expect a much better send-off.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
To bad for them Studio 60 has been sacrificed to the summer burnoff strategy.

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Originally posted by Riff Rafferty:

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Originally posted by vlis:
Why did you say the same thing 3 times?

The Sorkinites believe that if they say it enough times, it will become true.

No it can't. NBC stuck with it a long time. I would've pulled it back in November and shoved it off to die on Wednesday or Sunday in January or March.

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Originally posted by PaulC:
It was simply a bad show. Despite an inital high sampling, tons of promotion, strong press coverage and a powerful lead-in people abandoned it in droves. It can't expect a much better send-off.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
To bad for them Studio 60 has been sacrificed to the summer burnoff strategy.

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Originally posted by Riff Rafferty:

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Originally posted by vlis:
Why did you say the same thing 3 times?

The Sorkinites believe that if they say it enough times, it will become true.

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:

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Originally posted by robycop3:
NBC's current probs began, IMO, when they stayed ......, but inferior show, "Dream Vote", which bombed even more quickly than "Wishes".

I know the show came and went quickly, but Dream Vote was on ABC.

I strongly disagree about L&O CI - it's still got some life left in it. The Black Donnelly's is a perfect example of NBC doing something right and canning a show that clearly was not clicking. The Apprentice is a good concept but needs a different mogul.

My bad about "Dream Vote"! In fact I'd written recently about ABC's not learning from NBC's poor experience with "3 Wishes".

As for "L&O:CI", it should be the one to go if NBC decides to drop one of the L&O shows. That's my opinion, you have every right to disagree, of course.

Bring back "The Contender"? Not hardly, especially since they sold it to ESPN. Besides that, the only way for that show to take off is for one or more of its contestants to win some fights against top opponents.

Problem is, top pro boxers only fight a few timesa year. It's hardta make a documentary about one in just a few months. However, the newer boxers may fight once a month in shorter bouts, but not a lotta folks are interested in any of them except the very hottest prospects.