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Originally posted by Riff Rafferty:

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Originally posted by tvfan300:
That is an issue for the rabid fans of those particular shows. But ABC pulling them made business sense.

The money you save by pulling a show early is a drop in the ocean compared to the money you lose by raising viewers' ire. And when you raise viewers' ire, the next thing you lose are the viewers.

But if you think it makes good business sense to cancel everything they put on the air, then by all means, as they were. Do ABC's new shows all have low ratings because they are bad shows? For the most part, no. They have low ratings because savvy viewers have come to expect ABC is just going to cancel everything anyway, and so don't bother to waste their time anymore. So keep on yanking everything, ABC. I'm sure that's really going to bring you out of the dumper.

I don't know what NBC should've done, but I can tell you what they SHOULDN'T'VE done. They SHOULDN'T'VE played musical chairs with their fall schedule two seconds after presenting it to buyers (reminding one of the old adage, "Don't pick at it, you'll only make it worse") and they SHOULDN'T'VE moved successful shows to terrible new time periods -- something which I can only imagine was done to destroy their value when it came time for contract renewal negotiations. Because it sure as heck couldn't have been done for competitive purposes.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Agreed Riff. NBC's moving of hits like Law and Order and even Medium really hurt things in the long run.

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Originally posted by Riff Rafferty:

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Originally posted by tvfan300:
That is an issue for the rabid fans of those particular shows. But ABC pulling them made business sense.

The money you save by pulling a show early is a drop in the ocean compared to the money you lose by raising viewers' ire. And when you raise viewers' ire, the next thing you lose are the viewers.

But if you think it makes good business sense to cancel everything they put on the air, then by all means, as they were. Do ABC's new shows all have low ratings because they are bad shows? For the most part, no. They have low ratings because savvy viewers have come to expect ABC is just going to cancel everything anyway, and so don't bother to waste their time anymore. So keep on yanking everything, ABC. I'm sure that's really going to bring you out of the dumper.

I don't know what NBC should've done, but I can tell you what they SHOULDN'T'VE done. They SHOULDN'T'VE played musical chairs with their fall schedule two seconds after presenting it to buyers (reminding one of the old adage, "Don't pick at it, you'll only make it worse") and they SHOULDN'T'VE moved successful shows to terrible new time periods -- something which I can only imagine was done to destroy their value when it came time for contract renewal negotiations. Because it sure as heck couldn't have been done for competitive purposes.

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Originally posted by dumont demo:
In Praise of NBC:

For standing by...
...30 Rock
...Friday Night Lights
...Raines
despite their low ratings.

For programming novel, risk-taking shows...
...Heroes
...Studio 60
...The Black Donnellys
...20 Good Years
...1 vs 100
...Grease, You're The One That I Want
that are unique, one-of-a-kind type shows.

In Question of NBC:

For dubious scheduling strategies...
...Medium - persisting with Wednesday at 10 instead of Monday at 10
...ER - for on-again, off-again scheduling
...Dateline - overscheduling this once-top 10 newsmagazine
...Las Vegas - shocked that NBC renewed this show so early after hiding it from viewers all season long
...Saturday nights - for not trying something bold and innovative on this night to try and capture a larger share of the 33.0 A18-49 audience available

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Originally posted by dumont demo:
In Praise of NBC:

For standing by...
...30 Rock
...Friday Night Lights
...Raines
despite their low ratings.

For programming novel, risk-taking shows...
...Heroes
...Studio 60
...The Black Donnellys
...20 Good Years
...1 vs 100
...Grease, You're The One That I Want
that are unique, one-of-a-kind type shows.

In Question of NBC:

For dubious scheduling strategies...
...Medium - persisting with Wednesday at 10 instead of Monday at 10
...ER - for on-again, off-again scheduling
...Dateline - overscheduling this once-top 10 newsmagazine
...Las Vegas - shocked that NBC renewed this show so early after hiding it from viewers all season long
...Saturday nights - for not trying something bold and innovative on this night to try and capture a larger share of the 33.0 A18-49 audience available

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
Well... I hardly can agree with you on the point about Grease being a "unique, one-of-a-kind type show".... it was so blatantly ripped off from the pages of American Idol it was pathetic.

But the rest of your points were on target...(well not sure about 20 Good Years as I blinked and missed it...)

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Originally posted by dumont demo:
In Praise of NBC:

For standing by...
...30 Rock
...Friday Night Lights
...Raines
despite their low ratings.

For programming novel, risk-taking shows...
...Heroes
...Studio 60
...The Black Donnellys
...20 Good Years
...1 vs 100
...Grease, You're The One That I Want
that are unique, one-of-a-kind type shows.

In Question of NBC:

For dubious scheduling strategies...
...Medium - persisting with Wednesday at 10 instead of Monday at 10
...ER - for on-again, off-again scheduling
...Dateline - overscheduling this once-top 10 newsmagazine
...Las Vegas - shocked that NBC renewed this show so early after hiding it from viewers all season long
...Saturday nights - for not trying something bold and innovative on this night to try and capture a larger share of the 33.0 A18-49 audience available

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
Well... I hardly can agree with you on the point about Grease being a "unique, one-of-a-kind type show".... it was so blatantly ripped off from the pages of American Idol it was pathetic.

But the rest of your points were on target...(well not sure about 20 Good Years as I blinked and missed it...)

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Originally posted by dumont demo:
In Praise of NBC:

For standing by...
...30 Rock
...Friday Night Lights
...Raines
despite their low ratings.

For programming novel, risk-taking shows...
...Heroes
...Studio 60
...The Black Donnellys
...20 Good Years
...1 vs 100
...Grease, You're The One That I Want
that are unique, one-of-a-kind type shows.

In Question of NBC:

For dubious scheduling strategies...
...Medium - persisting with Wednesday at 10 instead of Monday at 10
...ER - for on-again, off-again scheduling
...Dateline - overscheduling this once-top 10 newsmagazine
...Las Vegas - shocked that NBC renewed this show so early after hiding it from viewers all season long
...Saturday nights - for not trying something bold and innovative on this night to try and capture a larger share of the 33.0 A18-49 audience available

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Originally posted by dumont demo:
Yes, Grease was somewhat derivative of American Idol, but at least it didn't subject us to endless auditions and atrocious lack-of-talents to endure week-after-week.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:

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Originally posted by dumont demo:
Yes, Grease was somewhat derivative of American Idol, but at least it didn't subject us to endless auditions and atrocious lack-of-talents to endure week-after-week.

I can only imagine what the lack ot talents auditions process must have been like after the horrendous scenes I saw in the finale.

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Originally posted by tvfan300:
I'm not saying that their quick trigger finger was justified in all cases. But should they have run all the eps of Six Degrees? The Nine? Daybreak? Dream Vote?

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No, they should have come up with better programming in the beginning and then they wouldn't have all this low rated stuff to pull.

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Originally posted by Riff Rafferty:

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Originally posted by tvfan300:
I'm not saying that their quick trigger finger was justified in all cases. But should they have run all the eps of Six Degrees? The Nine? Daybreak? Dream Vote?

"Day Break" had a beginning, middle and end, so, yes, they should have run all the episodes.

"The Nine" had no ending, but it did have critical acclaim.

I was talking more about the lone unaired episode a piece of "Big Day" and "In Case of Emergency." I enjoyed both of these shows, and their removing the finales from the schedule minutes before they were to air is something I see as nothing more than a giant F.U. to me and the select few who were watching. As a result, I didn't bother to check out "Notes from the Underbelly" and won't sample any of their other sitcoms next season.

As you can see from the ratings this past Wednesday, that rerun of "Lost" they subbed in really did wonders for them.

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No, they should have come up with better programming in the beginning and then they wouldn't have all this low rated stuff to pull.

Well, can't argue with that. Whoever was responsible for putting "Dream Vote" on the air should be sending their resume out right about now.

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Originally posted by Justin:
I was talking more about the lone unaired episode a piece of "Big Day" and "In Case of Emergency." I enjoyed both of these shows, and their removing the finales from the schedule minutes before they were to air is something I see as nothing more than a giant F.U. to me and the select few who were watching.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
More on how pathetic NBC is:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070424/ap_en_tv/nielsens_2

Good job Marc, btw.