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Originally posted by Riff Rafferty:

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Originally posted by Bruce:
A tale of long-term poor development, the premature dismantling of decent ratings producers, a lack of core genre leading to an almost bizarre array of different offerings that can't be cross promoted, leading to a loss of base audience, leading to a fading brand, ending in viewers having to think what number the NBC affiliate is on their remote......

Too true. Most of NBC's present-day problems were kickstarted into high gear by Mother Zucker in the 2002-2003 season. He went on a cancellation brigade that season ("Providence"), played musical chairs with the schedule (one ingenious move had Tuesday's lineup preempted so he could show repeats of Thursday's), railroaded a potential Saturday hit by changing its time slot at the eleventh hour and 86ing all promotion for it ("Hunter 2003"), treated a 7-season veteran like complete garbage ("Just Shoot Me"), and gave extremely short leashes to several promising shows ("Mister Sterling," "In-Laws"), all of which were scheduled badly.

The ratings fell right after that.

You're right. That was by far his worst season yet. The pathetic treatment of Just Shoot Me and In Laws was insane. Providence's cancellation was nothing but surprising to everyone and then he went with Mr. Sterling or something that flooped instantly. I too remember how he moved Hunter to 8pm instead of airing it between L&O repeats as originally scheduled. What an idiot.

I was by no means a fan of "Providence," but that has to rank as the dumbest cancellation of the past 10 years. Not only did NBC own the thing outright, but it was a pretty low-cost show. Even with "Deal or No Deal" being the highest-rated series on Friday night now, it still doesn't get the numbers "Providence" was getting. He could've squeezed another 2 very profitable seasons out of it. Easy.

It seemed to everyone like Zucker was pissed off at Melina Kanakaredes for getting pregnant. But she was willing to go back to work that season with only a very brief maternity leave. Instead, he just up and axed the show, and then axed "Mister Sterling," as well, leaving what exactly? "America's Most Talented Kid." That's what.

And then this stupid twit scratches his cueball head and goes, "Duh, why do we have low ratings?"

For the Week Ending November 11, 2007

Net	Day	Time	Length	Program                 Viewers*	Demo
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NBC	Sun	8:00	180 min	NFL Football              17.325	6.8
NBC	Tue	10:00	60 min	Law & Order: SVU          11.696	4.3
NBC	Mon	9:00	60 min	Heroes                     9.875	4.9
NBC	Fri	8:00	60 min	Deal or No Deal            9.630	2.1
NBC	Thu	10:00	60 min	ER                         8.444	3.5

NBC	Thu	9:00	30 min	The Office                 8.266	4.3
NBC	Tue	8:00	120 min	The Biggest Loser          7.884	3.3
NBC	Thu	8:00	60 min	My Name Is Earl            7.660	3.3
NBC	Mon	8:00	60 min	Chuck                      7.647	3.2
NBC	Fri	10:00	60 min	Las Vegas                  7.010	1.8

NBC	Thu	8:30	30 min	30 Rock                    6.603	3.1
NBC	Wed	9:00	60 min	Bionic Woman               6.476	2.7
NBC	Wed	10:00	60 min	Life                       6.389	2.6
NBC	Thu	9:30	30 min	Scrubs                     6.273	3.1
NBC	Wed	8:00	120 Min	Phenomenon                 6.105	2.2

NBC	Fri	9:00	60 min	Friday Night Lights        5.560	1.9
NBC	Sat	10:00	60 min	Law & Order: SVU [R]       5.370	1.5
NBC	Mon	10:00	60 min	Journeyman                 5.132	2.1
NBC	Sun	7:30	30 min	Football Night in America  4.950	2.0
NBC	Sat	8:00	60 min	Bionic Woman [R]           3.370	0.8
NBC	Sat	9:00	60 min	Chuck [R]                  3.170	0.9

Going from CBS to NBC, you would've thought it was the CW.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Going from CBS to NBC, you would've thought it was the CW.

When you compair FOX and NBC, FOX has more shows that draw over 10 million viewers (5 to 2)

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Going from CBS to NBC, you would've thought it was the CW.

When you compair FOX and NBC, FOX has more shows that draw over 10 million viewers (5 to 2)

Fox has historically done worse in terms of total viewers. Demowise however, its not so bad and they are up year to year unlike everyone else.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Going from CBS to NBC, you would've thought it was the CW.

When you compair FOX and NBC, FOX has more shows that draw over 10 million viewers (5 to 2)

Fox has historically done worse in terms of total viewers. Demowise however, its not so bad and they are up year to year unlike everyone else.

Less baseball has worked out well for FOX.

For the Week Ending November 18, 2007

Net	Day	Time	Length	Program                 Viewers*	Demo
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NBC	Sun	8:00	180 min	NFL Football              14.470	5.8
NBC	Tue	10:00	60 min	Law & Order: SVU          12.479	4.4
NBC	Mon	9:00	60 min	Heroes                    11.161	5.2
NBC	Fri	8:00	60 min	Deal or No Deal           10.730	2.5
NBC	Thu	10:00	60 min	ER                         9.596	3.9

NBC	Thu	9:00	30 min	The Office                 8.797	4.8
NBC	Tue	8:00	120 min	The Biggest Loser          8.159	3.4
NBC	Thu	8:00	60 min	My Name Is Earl            8.013	3.7
NBC	Mon	8:00	60 min	Chuck                      7.562	3.0
NBC	Wed	10:00	60 min	Life                       6.899	2.5

NBC	Fri	10:00	60 min	Las Vegas                  6.720	2.0
NBC	Thu	8:30	30 min	30 Rock                    6.449	3.2
NBC	Wed	9:00	60 min	Bionic Woman               6.289	2.5
NBC	Wed	8:00	120 Min	Phenomenon                 6.104	2.0
NBC	Mon	10:00	60 min	Journeyman                 6.088	2.4

NBC	Fri	9:00	60 min	Friday Night Lights        5.960	2.1
NBC	Thu	9:30	30 min	Scrubs                     5.931	3.1
NBC	Sat	10:00	60 min	Law & Order: SVU [R]       5.710	1.5
NBC	Sun	7:30	30 min	Football Night in America  5.310	2.1
NBC	Sat	8:00	60 min	Bionic Woman [R]           3.200	0.8
NBC	Sat	9:00	60 min	Chuck [R]                  3.110	1.0

For the Week Ending November 25, 2007

Net	Day	Time	Length	Program                 Viewers*	Demo
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NBC	Sun	8:00	180 min	NFL Football              21.810	8.6
NBC	Tue	10:00	60 min	Law & Order: SVU          11.694	3.9
NBC	Mon	9:00	60 min	Heroes                    10.805	5.1
NBC	Wed	9:00	120 min	Deal or No Deal           10.161	2.8
NBC	Mon	8:00	60 min	Chuck                      7.793	3.1

NBC	Tue	8:00	120 min	The Biggest Loser          7.543	3.1
NBC	Fri	8:00	180 min	Movie: Family Man          7.120	2.3
NBC	Thu	8:00	150 min	Movie: The Incredibles     6.565	2.4
NBC	Wed	8:00	60 min	Phenomenon                 6.162	1.9
NBC	Mon	10:00	60 min	Journeyman                 5.615	2.2

NBC	Sat	8:00	150 min	Movie: The Incredibles     5.570	2.0
NBC	Thu	10:30	30 min	The Office[R]              3.868	1.8
NBC	Sat	10:30	30 min	30 Rock [R]                3.310	1.2
NBC	Sun	7:30	30 min	Football Night in America  3.170	1.1

Excluding football this is just embarressing.

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Originally posted by himymfan22:
Excluding football this is just embarressing.

Boy, can't wait to see what these numbers look like in December and repeats are the norm. Could get Ugly.... CW ugly.

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
Boy, can't wait to see what these numbers look like in December and repeats are the norm. Could get Ugly.... CW ugly.

NBC will be Deal or No Deal ... and not much else.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
Boy, can't wait to see what these numbers look like in December and repeats are the norm. Could get Ugly.... CW ugly.

NBC will be Deal or No Deal ... and not much else.

A wise NBC would air two nights of DOND and 1 vs. 100 a week. To me that's not too much overkill. Perhaps try a new gameshow behind one of the timeslots. Just a thought. Dateline can also be aired 3 or 4 times a week without a problem. 2 hours could be normal Dateline with interviews. 2 hours could be the special edition To Catch a Predator/Internet Stalker/Lawsuit Likely episodes. The latter type seemed to pair pretty well with Law and Order in the past. A DOND, Dateline, L&O Wednesday would easily improve over the current lineup imo.

Bionic Woman is a good show. I think a lot of people tuned in to see how they could re-make the classic 'bionic woman'. Many Battlestar Galactica fans tuned in to support David Eick. After all, a woman who is biologically integrated with robotics is almost a cylon. lol. The show evolved into a new version of Alias but this time Sidney could rip off walls and hear bombs ticking a hundred feet away.

Now the show is being referred to "the waiting to be axed bionic woman", which is unfair to the potential this show has if they take risks and go all out with their ideas like they did with "Galactica".

Bionic Woman was wanted by the viewing publick, but ended up being a lost opportunity by NBC.

What "Could Have Been" if the series had been ran correctly.