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Originally posted by PaulC:
Jericho was never a hit. A mediocre performer at best even before the hiatus (btw without the hiatus fans of this show would now be writing to this forum to compain about all the reruns that have endure in March and April.)

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Originally posted by Gleebo:
It better not be Jericho. CBS killed the ratings on that one by trying to convince people the first season was actually 2 seasons dividing it with a stupid hiatus. You can't really expect it to do much better up against the monster of AI. The Unit and Jericho haven't been around that long and Close To Home was on shaky ground when it first started out but has turned into a modest hit. I would much rather see it go than either Jericho or The Unit.

Wasn't it in the winners category on Marcs column most of the fall? I can't remember but I thought it was considered a hit.

Only versus expectations. When it didnt fall on its face completely such as some of the other high oprofile fall entries did it was seen as a surprise by some entertainment reporters. But its numbers, particularly the demo, weren't really in "hit" territory. After a couple of weeks, its was a medicore at best by any measure.

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Originally posted by Gleebo:

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Originally posted by PaulC:
Jericho was never a hit. A mediocre performer at best even before the hiatus (btw without the hiatus fans of this show would now be writing to this forum to compain about all the reruns that have endure in March and April.)

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Originally posted by Gleebo:
It better not be Jericho. CBS killed the ratings on that one by trying to convince people the first season was actually 2 seasons dividing it with a stupid hiatus. You can't really expect it to do much better up against the monster of AI. The Unit and Jericho haven't been around that long and Close To Home was on shaky ground when it first started out but has turned into a modest hit. I would much rather see it go than either Jericho or The Unit.

Wasn't it in the winners category on Marcs column most of the fall? I can't remember but I thought it was considered a hit.

It's Close to Home not suprisingly for me.

Says so right here http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ausiello.aspx. Just click on the righthand and click on the player you should see Ausiello revealed it is Close to Home. They are just losing too much 18-49 demo from their lead in Ghost Whisperer.

Someone also told me that David James Elliott character will be running for Attorney General so I guess they are going to write off David's character but this is my opinion though.

Ausiello has no shoulders.

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Someone also told me that David James Elliott character will be running for Attorney General so I guess they are going to write off David's character but this is my opinion though.

Yes, that is right. When I first heard about that story arc, I figured that even if CTH were renewed DJE would not be part of it.He actually signed on for 13 episodes and his contract was extended when CBS called for 9 more eps.
I think that DJE was not much of a factor in the show anyway. His character had only three pages of dialogue at most per episode. I think his fans were disappointed that he was not on screen very long and they tuned out.

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Someone also told me that David James Elliott character will be running for Attorney General so I guess they are going to write off David's character but this is my opinion though.

Yes, that is right. When I first heard about that story arc, I figured that even if CTH were renewed DJE would not be part of it.He actually signed on for 13 episodes and his contract was extended when CBS called for 9 more eps.
I think that DJE was not much of a factor in the show anyway. His character had only three pages of dialogue at most per episode. I think his fans were disappointed that he was not on screen very long and they tuned out.

I agreed. I never followed David James Elliott but I watched a few episodes of JAG it seem like that he is a fine and talented actor that has a character sort of wasted on the show. I feel the same way about Jon Seda. Speaking of Jon, his fanbase is out on Friday nights and they aint going give up their plans just to watch him on Close to Home especially when he doesnt get a lot of scenes. I also heard that Jennifer Finnigan wasn't too happy with the drastic changes either. I like Cress Williams and we don't know a darn thing about his chracter. Kimberly Elise is a great actress too who talent is sort of waste on the show and she used to do leading roles herself. What is frustrating is this show have potential but they really screwed up over lack of character developement.

I couldn't get anything to come up regarding the CTH info. I clicked on the player and all i get is a fricken Applebees commercial and then nothing else follows.

If this is so I feel bad for the fans of CTH. I thought that CBS had a pretty good lineup going for them ratings wise on Fridays compared to the other networks.

Now if this happens I could see them throwing Jericho on Fridays next fall if its renewed...and seeing what happened with Threshold the future doesn't look good for Skeet and company.

I just hope the ratings go up once it is facing Bones instead of Idol. I love both shows and with a DVR there is a way to do so. I just dont want one killing the other.

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I couldn't get anything to come up regarding the CTH info.

If this is so I feel bad for the fans of CTH. I thought that CBS had a pretty good lineup going for them ratings wise on Fridays compared to the other networks.

I called CBS headquarters in NY. They said no decisions have been made regading the fate of CTH.

There are 6 new episodes to be aired of CTH. It was on the bubble last year. I think they will wait until after May sweeps to make a decision.

This past week, CTH tied for first in the 18/49 demo in its timeslot with Vegas.(2.7)

zThat really is not bad for a Friday night. It always is first in HH and Audience and the 25/54 demo. CBS must realize that the target demo that advertisers covet do not stay home on Fridays.Frankly, sometimes, CTH does get a 3.0 in the demo. THey are not going to get much more than that if they put a freshman series there.

I do not think CTH has as high a production cost as JB's other series like the CSI's and Cold Case. There's no special effects. They use the same set every week.THe main cost is probably the salaries. Frankly since they give DJE only 3 to five minutes of on screen time each week, his salary may not be as high as some think it is. So it may turn out to be cost effective or CBS in the end.

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I couldn't get anything to come up regarding the CTH info.

If this is so I feel bad for the fans of CTH. I thought that CBS had a pretty good lineup going for them ratings wise on Fridays compared to the other networks.

I called CBS headquarters in NY. They said no decisions have been made regading the fate of CTH.

There are 6 new episodes to be aired of CTH. It was on the bubble last year. I think they will wait until after May sweeps to make a decision.

This past week, CTH tied for first in the 18/49 demo in its timeslot with Vegas.(2.7)

zThat really is not bad for a Friday night. It always is first in HH and Audience and the 25/54 demo. CBS must realize that the target demo that advertisers covet do not stay home on Fridays.Frankly, sometimes, CTH does get a 3.0 in the demo. THey are not going to get much more than that if they put a freshman series there.

I do not think CTH has as high a production cost as JB's other series like the CSI's and Cold Case. There's no special effects. They use the same set every week.THe main cost is probably the salaries. Frankly since they give DJE only 3 to five minutes of on screen time each week, his salary may not be as high as some think it is. So it may turn out to be cost effective or CBS in the end.

Everyone keep in mind that Michael never said that Close to Home will be officially cancelled, he said that it is a slim chance it will be returning next fall, slightly difference of the wording.
To DramaQueen: That also depend on who you spoken to at the CBS headquarters, most likely an entry-level person or secretary who has little knowledge about Les Moonives and his executive staff's decisions at this point. Just like last month when there was question about NBC's daytime Passions up for cancellation or not, someone called NBC headquarters in Cali. Their receptionist said they haven't heard anything about the cancellation. Then the next day, people called that same number and that person announced it was cancelled and the cast and crew was expected to be notified the next day. I am not trying to dismiss your claims or anything, I can see that you deeply care about Close to Home fate even more so than the actors themselves lol, just saying usually the people at the bottom of the pyramid are the last to know the news... Don't be suprised if Les already made his decision about Close to Home but is waiting until May to announce it.
Also, Michael Austillo's sources are usually very credible and he is very well respected in the industry otherwise he wouldnt be working at TV Guide for all these years. But if he is wrong about this one then blame the gossip-starter not Michael because he is just the messanger. But I doubted since Michael had been getting his Close to Home sources from Eric Overmeyer throughout this year. For example, Michael was the first one that revealed aboout the cast changes last year and about Jimmy's character.
But I agreed with you about the salary part.
Also Close to Home's current ad rate is around $110,000 per commerical, it is CBS's second lowest ad-money maker show and even lower than some of the NBC and ABC shows . Heck, even other networks is charging and making more on their shows per commerical spot included small network like CW who charged over $300,000 one of their shows and they don't even have a cast to pay! That does make the number one network like CBS looked bad because unless it is about health products, most times advertisers refused to by ad time for a show that is skewing too old. I do noticed a lot of health commericals aired during Close to Home lol. I also noticed that they air quite a few local commericals too and that money goes to my local CBS affiliate not the big CBS because the big advertisers isn't buying spots during C2H. If you added the total national commericals thats aired during C2H multiply the ad rate then that totals out to barely just over a 1 million per episode. Now with the five slightly pricy stars, cast, extras, guest stars, and production crew that needs to be pay plus other costs there is little money for the network to received. TV is a business and sometimes, it takes more than the show winning its slot to determine should the show stay on or not. I read a lot of the ins and out the tv industry. I am not familar about the production cost of C2H, but this is a Jerry Bruckheimer's show and rarely he produces cheap. The reason why CBS hardly promote the show because it takes money to promote and if the show doesn't perform like the network wants then they won't promoted it. That isn't a good sign.
No one knows about the cast's salaries and that is no business of mines or anyone else but Jon Seda, Kimberly Elise are established actors at their own right along with Cress Williams so they don't come cheap and I am pretty sure they are members of those acting guilds with minimums that CBS has to pay them per episode.

If I am not mistaken Close to Home only got 3.0 once this season and that was the first episode. Last year, it was getting 2.9 to 3.0 and it almost cancelled then and now lately it averages just barely 2.5. All the points I made goes back to what Michael said there is a slim chance this show will be returning in the fall because it is all about CBS is losing lots of money.
Correction: There are only five more episodes (the order was 22 and the 16th episode aired last Friday) to be aired and CBS went ahead and planning to air a new episode next Friday because originally no new episode until April. After next Friday, only four episodes left.
So just because CBS cancelled it that doesn't mean that other networks won't pick it up they might want it so you never know. I am sorry to say this but my gut feeling is that Close to Home is done at least on CBS after this season. CBS had tried to get rid of it for sometime now and May will be their opportunity.

I agree with you Gleebo: "More often than not these type of shows aren't long for the TV world. Joan of Arcadia wasn't as serialized as Jericho and it went from a talked about hit to cancelled in a years time. Shows like Heroes, Smallville, 24, Prison Break, and Lost are the few exceptions to the rule that keep audiences coming back . . . In television history there arent many of this type of show that last longer than 3 or 4 seasons."

The only few exceptions I can think of lately are X-Files (1993-2002) and Alias (5 seasons).

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Originally posted by junebug2008:
I agree with you Gleebo: "More often than not these type of shows aren't long for the TV world. Joan of Arcadia wasn't as serialized as Jericho and it went from a talked about hit to cancelled in a years time. Shows like Heroes, Smallville, 24, Prison Break, and Lost are the few exceptions to the rule that keep audiences coming back . . . In television history there arent many of this type of show that last longer than 3 or 4 seasons."

The only few exceptions I can think of lately are X-Files (1993-2002) and Alias (5 seasons).

Thanks for the reply a year after my statement! Awesome. And in that time nothing has really done much to disprove what we already knew about genre shows.

Its unfortunate that given a second chance "Jericho" and CBS haven't found a way to gain a large fan base outside the web. At least they were kind enough to give us 7 more chances to end it with some form of resolution, but im pretty sure even the last episode will end with us fans wanting more. Nuts aren't gonna save us this time unless they are attached to a stamped of wooly mammoths unleashed outside of CBS headquarters.

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Originally posted by Gleebo:

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Originally posted by junebug2008:
I agree with you Gleebo: "More often than not these type of shows aren't long for the TV world. Joan of Arcadia wasn't as serialized as Jericho and it went from a talked about hit to cancelled in a years time. Shows like Heroes, Smallville, 24, Prison Break, and Lost are the few exceptions to the rule that keep audiences coming back . . . In television history there arent many of this type of show that last longer than 3 or 4 seasons."

The only few exceptions I can think of lately are X-Files (1993-2002) and Alias (5 seasons).

Thanks for the reply a year after my statement! Awesome. And in that time nothing has really done much to disprove what we already knew about genre shows.

Its unfortunate that given a second chance "Jericho" and CBS haven't found a way to gain a large fan base outside the web. At least they were kind enough to give us 7 more chances to end it with some form of resolution, but im pretty sure even the last episode will end with us fans wanting more. Nuts aren't gonna save us this time unless they are attached to a stamped of wooly mammoths unleashed outside of CBS headquarters.

I think simply switching timeslots for Jericho and Big Brother would've yielded higher results for both.