I doubt it's Law & Order. The franchise brings in over $1 billion/year for NBC. Plus, I think it'll make it to 20 seasons to become the longest running drama on television.
...and they don't want to piss off Dick Wolf anymore than they already have.
Ausiello says the drama draws a "sizable" audience and if often called a "hit." L&O doesn't really draw in a sizable audience anymore and it hasn't been called a hit in a long while. Boston Legal's situation is similar.
I say it's Close to Home, because when it moved from Tuesdays @ 10 to Fridays @ 9, everyone and their mother was saying how much better it was doing and yada yada yada. But this season, it has struggled to hit a 3.0 in the 18-49 demo while Ghost Whisperer and Numbers can hit that with ease.
I still say it'll be renewed either for the Fall season or midseason, unless CBS really has something that they think can build a better bridge between Ghost Whisperer or Numbers.
...perhaps Demons?
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The fact that it consistently wins its timeslot in viewers and the whole Tuesday to Friday switch are the reasons that people call it a hit.
I can't give you a single person who refers to Close to Home as a hit, but it seems like CtH has reached that status but, in hindsight, isn't completely qualified to be there.
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Originally posted by TAYLORJNG: I doubt it's Law & Order. The franchise brings in over $1 billion/year for NBC. Plus, I think it'll make it to 20 seasons to become the longest running drama on television.
...and they don't want to piss off Dick Wolf anymore than they already have.
Ausiello says the drama draws a "sizable" audience and if often called a "hit." L&O doesn't really draw in a sizable audience anymore and it hasn't been called a hit in a long while. Boston Legal's situation is similar.
I say it's Close to Home, because when it moved from Tuesdays @ 10 to Fridays @ 9, everyone and their mother was saying how much better it was doing and yada yada yada. But this season, it has struggled to hit a 3.0 in the 18-49 demo while Ghost Whisperer and Numbers can hit that with ease.
I still say it'll be renewed either for the Fall season or midseason, unless CBS really has something that they think can build a better bridge between Ghost Whisperer or Numbers.
...perhaps Demons?
When was the last time L&O hit a 3 in the Demo?
With it's history NBC would expect more of L&O given it's time slot with less competition than say Criminal Intent going against House and the Unit. What I'm sure is not making NBC happy is the trend down the L&O numbers have taken this season (a 3.6 in the demo the first episode of the year in September) while 20/20 and Numb3rs are moving right along. Going from 1st to 3rd in your time slot is not the goal and these February numbers are only getting worse.
Even if Close to Home doesn't pull a 3, it's still a solid program. It has a very solid audience and if CBS cancels it, then ABC should pick it up and use it as a filler for one of their numerous holes. Perhaps a pairing with Boston Legal on Tuesday would help spice up the 18-49 numbers, as both programs are courtroom shows.
My point is that Close to Home is in between shows that can hit a 3.0 with ease. When your in between two shows that average a 3.1 - 3.4 18-49 demo each, you should be able to average at least a 3.0. But, that's not happening with CtH. Older viewers are systematically tuning into CtH and younger viewers are systematically turning off CtH and then coming back for Numbers. They all get around the same total audience. I like the show from what I've watched. But, it's not pulling in as many 18-49 viewers as it should.
Law & Order is after a show that is averaging about a 2.6 - 2.8 in the 18-49 demo. It doesn't have the benefit of being cradled between two shows. I know L&O is not what it once was, but I think all of NBC's Friday shows will be renewed. While it might not have the ratings that NBC wants, it's stable, and NBC needs to focus on rebuilding other nights, namely Sunday and Wednesday.
Simply, the blind item fits CtH better than it fits L&O.
I still say both will be renewed, though.
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Originally posted by TAYLORJNG: [QUOTE]When was the last time L&O hit a 3 in the Demo?
That's not my point.
My point is that Close to Home is in between shows that can hit a 3.0 with ease. When your in between two shows that average a 3.1 - 3.4 18-49 demo each, you should be able to average at least a 3.0. But, that's not happening with CtH. Older viewers are systematically tuning into CtH and younger viewers are systematically turning off CtH and then coming back for Numbers. They all get around the same total audience. I like the show from what I've watched. But, it's not pulling in as many 18-49 viewers as it should.
Law & Order is after a show that is averaging about a 2.6 - 2.8 in the 18-49 demo. It doesn't have the benefit of being cradled between two shows. I know L&O is not what it once was, but I think all of NBC's Friday shows will be renewed. While it might not have the ratings that NBC wants, it's stable, and NBC needs to focus on rebuilding other nights, namely Sunday and Wednesday.
Simply, the blind item fits CtH better than it fits L&O.
I still say both will be renewed, though.
L&O does have the benefit of history on it's side. It has been on the air for a long time and has been a top ten show. Alot of people are familar with the show and have seen it at some point in time. C2H doesn't. There are alot of people who have never seen a minute of it. At this point L&O should not be lead in dependent to get a 3 in the demo on a night without much competition. 20/20 has beaten it the last two weeks. Not good. It is getting 9 million or so viewers each week, just not skewing young like some of the other NBC shows do.
I don't think either show fits the article perfectly. C2H has never been known as a "hit" at any point in time.
With the cost per episode of L&O I'm certainly not betting a dime on it's return with the numbers it has been getting. February has been bad.
L&O does have the benefit of history on it's side. It has been on the air for a long time and has been a top ten show. Alot of people are familar with the show and have seen it at some point in time. C2H doesn't. There are alot of people who have never seen a minute of it. At this point L&O should not be lead in dependent to get a 3 in the demo on a night without much competition. 20/20 has beaten it the last two weeks. Not good. It is getting 9 million or so viewers each week, just not skewing young like some of the other NBC shows do.
I don't think either show fits the article perfectly. C2H has never been known as a "hit" at any point in time.
With the cost per episode of L&O I'm certainly not betting a dime on it's return with the numbers it has been getting. February has been bad.
On the flipside, you could say that it's been on for so long and the cast has changed so many times that it's virtually unrecognizable to the people who watched it at its peak.
Every show, nowadays, is lead-in and timeslot dependent. ER is another good example of a show that has a horrible lead-in (ratings-wise, not quality) and is suffering in the process. A better lead-in, like Deal or No Deal was, would make the ratings better for it.
I think that if L&O was getting canceled, NBC would have already stated it and told us when the series finale of the show was going to be a la The O.C. A show that's been on for 17 years and has been as profitable as it has been isn't going to vanish into thin air. There would be an appropriate tribute.
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What network ever goes and keeps things status quo. For the sake of change, CBS will make an example out of some show, and Friday at 9pm makes sense. I like C2H - and do think it would be viable for another network.
With that said, and based on the CBS drama pilots, this is what I would do:
Sunday ===== 7pm - 60 Minutes 8pm - Demons 9pm - Cold Case 10pm - Without A Trace
Monday ====== 8pm - How I Met Your Mother 8:30 - Old Christine 9:00 - Two And A Half Men 9:30 - Rules Of Engagement 10:00 - CSI: Miami
Tuesday ======= 8:00 - NCIS 9:00 - Jericho 10:00 - The Unit
Wednesday ========= 8:00 - The Amazing Race 9:00 - Criminal Minds 10:00 - CSI: New York
Michael Ausiello's self-obsession makes me dry heave. I wish we could let his work stay over at TV Guide.
It must be hard making a living on telling internet nuts TV spoilers. Oh God! At least Marc's job takes talent for all his rigorous analysis, calculations and statistics - thus the admiration and loyalty he gets from me.
I'm sure "Law & Order" is very close to having the book thrown at it, but anyone who guessed that deserves to have their junior detective badge taken away. If that is it, Assiello gave really bad clues.
When "Law & Order" was called a hit, it didn't miss that mark by a mile. It was a hit.
"Law & Order" doesn't draw a sizeable audience anymore. (Take a guess why.) It doesn't even win the hour in any measure.
"Law & Order" doesn't attract fewer viewers in the hot 18-to-49-year-old demographic than the other shows NBC has on the night.
"Law & Order," while old-skewing, did attract a very respectable 18-49 viewership in its prime, regularly winning the Wednesday 10:00pm time slot in that demo for years.
"Law & Order" isn't performing better in its time slot than many things NBC has tried there. It's performing way worse than "Special Victims Unit" and "Third Watch." About as good as "Trial by Jury" and "Homicide." Better than "Inconceivable," "Boomtown" and "Conviction," but does that count as "pretty much everything?" Do "Inconceivable" and "Boomtown" even count at all, since they had the time slot for, like, what two weeks?
"Close to Home's" time slot was formerly occupied by the non-hits "Threshold," "First Monday," "That's Life," "Hack," "The Gregory Hines Show," "The Magnificent Seven," "Now and Again," "Buddy Faro" and "Turks" (as well as "CSI" and "JAG," hence, "pretty much everything"), skews WAY older than the shows that bookend it, has a median age that is one of the oldest on TV, and CBS spent a bunch of money pointlessly retooling it this year trying to get the average viewer age down. It didn't work.
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Originally posted by Riff Rafferty: I'm sure "Law & Order" is very close to having the book thrown at it, but anyone who guessed that deserves to have their junior detective badge taken away. If that is it, Assiello gave really bad clues.
When "Law & Order" was called a hit, it didn't miss that mark by a mile. It was a hit.
"Law & Order" doesn't draw a sizeable audience anymore. (Take a guess why.) It doesn't even win the hour in any measure.
"Law & Order" doesn't attract fewer viewers in the hot 18-to-49-year-old demographic than the other shows NBC has on the night.
"Law & Order," while old-skewing, did attract a very respectable 18-49 viewership in its prime, regularly winning the Wednesday 10:00pm time slot in that demo for years.
"Law & Order" isn't performing better in its time slot than many things NBC has tried there. It's performing way worse than "Special Victims Unit" and "Third Watch." About as good as "Trial by Jury" and "Homicide." Better than "Inconceivable," "Boomtown" and "Conviction," but does that count as "pretty much everything?" Do "Inconceivable" and "Boomtown" even count at all, since they had the time slot for, like, what two weeks?
"Close to Home's" time slot was formerly occupied by the non-hits "Threshold," "First Monday," "That's Life," "Hack," "The Gregory Hines Show," "The Magnificent Seven," "Now and Again," "Buddy Faro" and "Turks" (as well as "CSI" and "JAG," hence, "pretty much everything"), skews WAY older than the shows that bookend it, has a median age that is one of the oldest on TV, and CBS spent a bunch of money pointlessly retooling it this year trying to get the average viewer age down. It didn't work.
Aw come on I want to keep my badge.
L&O WAS a hit but now misses the mark by a mile. It is still refered to as a hit in some promos.
It was drawing around 10 million in September but that has gone by the wayside so the audience was larger. We all know why no one is watching these days (unless you have had a lobotomy, the show really sucks anymore, crappy writing and the new cast should be seen and not heard )
It's demo is not better than other shows on NBC like the Office or Heroes.
"Pretty much everything" applies to 10 pm on Fridays as well as CBS (you forgot The Book of Daniel) Conviction was a bust and so have the other recent occupants of that time period.. How long ago was SVU on on Friday's??
The skewing part DOES sound CBS ish but the hit thing doesn't make sense for C2H.
I think Ausiello is trying to throw everyone off with these clues. They really don't exactly fit any one show. You stretch the meaning of this or that to make it fit a number of shows.
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